[olug] Ghosted?

[Dan Linder]

Jeff asked:
> wouldn't this conversation make more sense in the IRC server?

I am old-school and can't/don't sit on an IRC or Discord server regularly
(at home or at work), and email threads like this are the best way for me
to keep engaged.  But that's just my personal (grey hair) opinion...

Regarding the topic of recruiters, feedback, etc. - I've been on the hiring
side with some positions, and I don't remember receiving a call/email from
the recruiter(s) when we passed on their candidates.  If you're the
candidate and you have the interviewer contact info, you might reach out to
them directly if your recruiter isn't helping you.

And I agree strongly with Ben - working for a company who is willing to
squeeze it's business partners for agreed services provided is bad enough,
but if you become an employee with them you then have to navigate your
companies polluted reputation in the industry as well as the potential that
you might have them play the same games with you.

Dan

On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 10:02 PM <olug.work923 at passmail.net> wrote:

> I have to ask: wouldn't this conversation make more sense in the IRC
> server? Or is that dead? I have no idea how big OLUG is but Id imagine this
> is probably filling up some inboxes somewhere. Or if there isnt that many
> people I'll shut up and color 🤣
>
> -Jeff
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> On 7/28/25 7:52 PM, Ben Hollingsworth <obiwan at jedi.com> wrote:
>
> >  Are you the job seeker or the recruiter?
> >
> >  Based on what you told us, it sounds like the employer behaved
> >  unscrupulously with the recruiter, but it's hard to say for sure without
> >  knowing more the circumstances surrounding the termination of that
> >  relationship.  I can envision situations where that might be a
> >  reasonable response.
> >
> >  As an employee, I would never want to work for a company that treated
> >  its business partners that way, because they'll also treat their
> >  employees the same way.  If you're the job seeker, I think you dodged a
> >  bullet by not getting hired there.
> >
> >  It's unfortunate that you were unable to receive any feedback on a
> >  failed interview, but honestly, it's INCREDIBLY rare to receive that
> >  sort of feedback from any company, unless maybe you're one of the final
> >  contenders for a high-level job.  Also, if they indeed treated the
> >  recruiter badly, I'm not sure much stock you can put in any feedback
> >  they might give you anyway.
> >
> >  Learn what you can from the situation and move on.  Don't lose any more
> >  sleep over it.
> >
> >  On 7/28/25 15:07, James Tobin wrote:
> >  > This employer had historically provided such feedback to the
> >  > recruitment firm.  In this case however they abruptly cancelled the
> >  > contract with the recruitment firm after immediately receiving 2
> >  > resumes.  This was after the recruitment firm met with the hiring
> >  > manager to understand the requirement, went to market, and proactively
> >  > headhunted candidates. This process involved crafting compelling
> >  > narratives around the employer and their business to secure candidate
> >  > interest and engagement.  The recruitment consultant had a
> >  > relationship with the employer (perhaps strongest with the CTO) who
> >  > had recently retired.   Don't you think the employer should have
> >  > considered the candidates introduced when the contract was in place
> >  > (i.e. before they terminated) and either provided feedback or
> >  > progressed them through the process — even if they ultimately decided
> >  > to terminate the agreement with the recruitment firm?  The recruitment
> >  > firm is pursuing the employer legally for not providing feedback or
> >  > progressing the candidates as historically they did and this change in
> >  > behaviour is out of character and suspicious.
> >  >
> >  > On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 at 20:55, Dave Thacker<dthacker9 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >  >> I'd want to know why I wasn't a good fit, but I don't think many
> companies
> >  >> are willing to take time for that discussion these days.
> >  >>
> >  >> DT
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >> On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 8:11 AM James Tobin<jamesbtobin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >  >>
> >  >>> Hi, if you were represented by a recruiter (headhunter, recruitment
> >  >>> consultant, agent, or whatever they prefer to call themselves) for a
> >  >>> potential job with an employer, would you *want* them to do
> everything
> >  >>> possible to get feedback on your resume, skills, experience, overall
> >  >>> application, and suitability directly from the employer after you'd
> >  >>> been presented?
> >
> >  --
> >  *Ben "Obi-Wan" Hollingsworth* obiwan at jedi.com www.Jedi.com
> >  <https://www.jedi.com>
> >  The stuff of earth competes for the allegiance I owe only to the
> >  Giver of all good things, so if I stand, let me stand on the
> >  promise that You will pull me through. /-- Rich Mullins/
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