[olug] Ghosted?

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I have to ask: wouldn't this conversation make more sense in the IRC server? Or is that dead? I have no idea how big OLUG is but Id imagine this is probably filling up some inboxes somewhere. Or if there isnt that many people I'll shut up and color 🤣

-Jeff


-------- Original Message --------
On 7/28/25 7:52 PM, Ben Hollingsworth <obiwan at jedi.com> wrote:

>  Are you the job seeker or the recruiter?
>  
>  Based on what you told us, it sounds like the employer behaved
>  unscrupulously with the recruiter, but it's hard to say for sure without
>  knowing more the circumstances surrounding the termination of that
>  relationship.  I can envision situations where that might be a
>  reasonable response.
>  
>  As an employee, I would never want to work for a company that treated
>  its business partners that way, because they'll also treat their
>  employees the same way.  If you're the job seeker, I think you dodged a
>  bullet by not getting hired there.
>  
>  It's unfortunate that you were unable to receive any feedback on a
>  failed interview, but honestly, it's INCREDIBLY rare to receive that
>  sort of feedback from any company, unless maybe you're one of the final
>  contenders for a high-level job.  Also, if they indeed treated the
>  recruiter badly, I'm not sure much stock you can put in any feedback
>  they might give you anyway.
>  
>  Learn what you can from the situation and move on.  Don't lose any more
>  sleep over it.
>  
>  On 7/28/25 15:07, James Tobin wrote:
>  > This employer had historically provided such feedback to the
>  > recruitment firm.  In this case however they abruptly cancelled the
>  > contract with the recruitment firm after immediately receiving 2
>  > resumes.  This was after the recruitment firm met with the hiring
>  > manager to understand the requirement, went to market, and proactively
>  > headhunted candidates. This process involved crafting compelling
>  > narratives around the employer and their business to secure candidate
>  > interest and engagement.  The recruitment consultant had a
>  > relationship with the employer (perhaps strongest with the CTO) who
>  > had recently retired.   Don't you think the employer should have
>  > considered the candidates introduced when the contract was in place
>  > (i.e. before they terminated) and either provided feedback or
>  > progressed them through the process — even if they ultimately decided
>  > to terminate the agreement with the recruitment firm?  The recruitment
>  > firm is pursuing the employer legally for not providing feedback or
>  > progressing the candidates as historically they did and this change in
>  > behaviour is out of character and suspicious.
>  >
>  > On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 at 20:55, Dave Thacker<dthacker9 at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >> I'd want to know why I wasn't a good fit, but I don't think many companies
>  >> are willing to take time for that discussion these days.
>  >>
>  >> DT
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 8:11 AM James Tobin<jamesbtobin at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> Hi, if you were represented by a recruiter (headhunter, recruitment
>  >>> consultant, agent, or whatever they prefer to call themselves) for a
>  >>> potential job with an employer, would you *want* them to do everything
>  >>> possible to get feedback on your resume, skills, experience, overall
>  >>> application, and suitability directly from the employer after you'd
>  >>> been presented?
>  
>  --
>  *Ben "Obi-Wan" Hollingsworth* obiwan at jedi.com www.Jedi.com
>  <https://www.jedi.com>
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