[olug] Ghosted?

James Tobin jamesbtobin at gmail.com
Tue Jul 29 08:52:12 CDT 2025 

I am actually the headhunter.  I am also a developer and Linux user.
I've been involved in recruitment and consultancy for the past 20+
years.  I have found this all to be extremely fishy and opaque.  One
of the two people introduced was highly appropriate for a job in
Tokyo.  This job is still being advertised on the employers website.
The hiring manager told me that they were looking at hiring someone in
Australia (a location I had previously hired for him) but were
considering moving someone from their Indian office too.  That said,
they were also advertising the same-kinda-a-position in Sydney and New
York.  Perhaps I am a whistleblower.  It seems that what this
employers HR is throwing jobs up on LinkedIn for various country
offices but actually moving internal employees (they have multiple
brands in the same markets under a larger umbrella)

On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 at 13:46, Dan Linder <dan at linder.org> wrote:
>
> Jeff asked:
> > wouldn't this conversation make more sense in the IRC server?
>
> I am old-school and can't/don't sit on an IRC or Discord server regularly
> (at home or at work), and email threads like this are the best way for me
> to keep engaged.  But that's just my personal (grey hair) opinion...
>
> Regarding the topic of recruiters, feedback, etc. - I've been on the hiring
> side with some positions, and I don't remember receiving a call/email from
> the recruiter(s) when we passed on their candidates.  If you're the
> candidate and you have the interviewer contact info, you might reach out to
> them directly if your recruiter isn't helping you.
>
> And I agree strongly with Ben - working for a company who is willing to
> squeeze it's business partners for agreed services provided is bad enough,
> but if you become an employee with them you then have to navigate your
> companies polluted reputation in the industry as well as the potential that
> you might have them play the same games with you.
>
> Dan
>
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 10:02 PM <olug.work923 at passmail.net> wrote:
>
> > I have to ask: wouldn't this conversation make more sense in the IRC
> > server? Or is that dead? I have no idea how big OLUG is but Id imagine this
> > is probably filling up some inboxes somewhere. Or if there isnt that many
> > people I'll shut up and color 🤣
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > On 7/28/25 7:52 PM, Ben Hollingsworth <obiwan at jedi.com> wrote:
> >
> > >  Are you the job seeker or the recruiter?
> > >
> > >  Based on what you told us, it sounds like the employer behaved
> > >  unscrupulously with the recruiter, but it's hard to say for sure without
> > >  knowing more the circumstances surrounding the termination of that
> > >  relationship.  I can envision situations where that might be a
> > >  reasonable response.
> > >
> > >  As an employee, I would never want to work for a company that treated
> > >  its business partners that way, because they'll also treat their
> > >  employees the same way.  If you're the job seeker, I think you dodged a
> > >  bullet by not getting hired there.
> > >
> > >  It's unfortunate that you were unable to receive any feedback on a
> > >  failed interview, but honestly, it's INCREDIBLY rare to receive that
> > >  sort of feedback from any company, unless maybe you're one of the final
> > >  contenders for a high-level job.  Also, if they indeed treated the
> > >  recruiter badly, I'm not sure much stock you can put in any feedback
> > >  they might give you anyway.
> > >
> > >  Learn what you can from the situation and move on.  Don't lose any more
> > >  sleep over it.
> > >
> > >  On 7/28/25 15:07, James Tobin wrote:
> > >  > This employer had historically provided such feedback to the
> > >  > recruitment firm.  In this case however they abruptly cancelled the
> > >  > contract with the recruitment firm after immediately receiving 2
> > >  > resumes.  This was after the recruitment firm met with the hiring
> > >  > manager to understand the requirement, went to market, and proactively
> > >  > headhunted candidates. This process involved crafting compelling
> > >  > narratives around the employer and their business to secure candidate
> > >  > interest and engagement.  The recruitment consultant had a
> > >  > relationship with the employer (perhaps strongest with the CTO) who
> > >  > had recently retired.   Don't you think the employer should have
> > >  > considered the candidates introduced when the contract was in place
> > >  > (i.e. before they terminated) and either provided feedback or
> > >  > progressed them through the process — even if they ultimately decided
> > >  > to terminate the agreement with the recruitment firm?  The recruitment
> > >  > firm is pursuing the employer legally for not providing feedback or
> > >  > progressing the candidates as historically they did and this change in
> > >  > behaviour is out of character and suspicious.
> > >  >
> > >  > On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 at 20:55, Dave Thacker<dthacker9 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >  >> I'd want to know why I wasn't a good fit, but I don't think many
> > companies
> > >  >> are willing to take time for that discussion these days.
> > >  >>
> > >  >> DT
> > >  >>
> > >  >>
> > >  >> On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 8:11 AM James Tobin<jamesbtobin at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >  >>
> > >  >>> Hi, if you were represented by a recruiter (headhunter, recruitment
> > >  >>> consultant, agent, or whatever they prefer to call themselves) for a
> > >  >>> potential job with an employer, would you *want* them to do
> > everything
> > >  >>> possible to get feedback on your resume, skills, experience, overall
> > >  >>> application, and suitability directly from the employer after you'd
> > >  >>> been presented?
> > >
> > >  --
> > >  *Ben "Obi-Wan" Hollingsworth* obiwan at jedi.com www.Jedi.com
> > >  <https://www.jedi.com>
> > >  The stuff of earth competes for the allegiance I owe only to the
> > >  Giver of all good things, so if I stand, let me stand on the
> > >  promise that You will pull me through. /-- Rich Mullins/
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