[olug] starting broadband ISP, any suggestions?

Thu Aug 23 01:11:17 UTC 2012

speed will obviously be tiered depending on what the customer wants or
needs. what will be the approximate speed that can be reached at around 3-4
miles line of sight? the tower is ~500 feet.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Sam Tetherow <tetherow at shwisp.net> wrote:

> On 08/20/2012 03:57 AM, Rob Townley wrote:
>
>> Not sure what you are asking, but ubnt.com has some cool wireless
>> stuff and starting to incorporate GPS into equipment to help maximize
>> signal-to-noise ratio. It would be worth it to register and poke
>> around in their forums even if you do not use their stuff.
>>
>  UBNT GPS does not work.  As far as I know they currently are not shipping
> it.  The 2.4GHz GPS does not work at all and the 5GHz GPS is barely
> working.  Basically it is an absolute last ditch effort if you cannot get
> 5GHz to work at all.
>
> The only manufacturer that I know of that makes high quality GPS enabled
> APs is Cambium (use to be Motorola Canopy).
>
>
>> 100Mbps long range 50km wireless using their AirMax stuff.
>> Line-of-sight, but i wonder if you could get substantial bandwidth
>> even when not line-of-sight.  Since bullet Ms are inexpensive ($50),
>> it would be worth buying several to test out.  Let me know how dead-on
>> line-of-sight accurate is actually required.
>> http://www.ubnt.com/airmax#**bulletm <http://www.ubnt.com/airmax#bulletm>
>>
>>
>> ubiquiti's airfiber is not microwave as it 24GhZ (yes, that is right,
>> no decimal. twenty-four GhZ) and claims to support 1GB wireless to
>> 13km.  Line-of-sight.  Developed from a former Motorola team.
>> http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber
>>
>> i had trouble finding a distributor that would actually sell me a
>> bullet m when i first tried a year or so ago.  But now,
>> http://www.microcom.us/**bullet5.html<http://www.microcom.us/bullet5.html>sells several versions.  So no, i
>> do NOT have any real experience with this long range hardware, but
>> would be interested to see what you find.  If you are within 50km of
>> the Westroads, i might be willing to test.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Justin Reiners<justin at hotlinesinc.com**>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> line of site wireless is the dream, that is more my bosses realm, I just
>>> move packets. he leases space on his tower to many different companies.
>>> He
>>> thinks he can do some type of directional microwave transmission, said it
>>> will easily support his speeds he is looking for.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Jason N<dashrender at cox.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>>  how are you going to get from your tower to the clients?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---- Justin Reiners<justin at hotlinesinc.com**>  wrote:
>>>> Ohh, touche, I guess on cox and such everyone is on the same network
>>>> (for
>>>> the most part), just firewalled on the client side (we hope :) ) so you
>>>> think regular off the shelf (meaning cisco and such, not linksys or
>>>> netgear) routers and switches. good good. My boss has checked on his
>>>> pipe,
>>>> can get it for about 9 grand a month, (1Gigabit, multiple fiber drops
>>>> already exist at his tower.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Kevin<sharpestmarble at gmail.com**>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  What if some business that you provide service to wants to contact some
>>>>> other business you provide service to? i.e. A small business that hosts
>>>>> their own website or mail server?
>>>>> On Aug 20, 2012 12:23 AM, "Justin Reiners"<justin at hotlinesinc.**com<justin at hotlinesinc.com>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The upstream bandwidth will be fiber, 1 gigabit, already priced. The
>>>>>>
>>>>> users
>>>>>
>>>>>> will be business users, requiring at least 50/50, or whatever they
>>>>>>
>>>>> need.
>>>>
>>>>> their will be 100Mb users as well. I would like all users (businesses)
>>>>>>
>>>>> IP
>>>>
>>>>> to be segregated for security reasons. all businesses will need static
>>>>>> public IPs. Last mile will be microwave.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Kevin<sharpestmarble at gmail.com**>
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What is your upstream bandwidth like? Fiber? From who? They are the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> people
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you'll need to buy your IPs from. You don't need to buy a public IP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> for
>>>>
>>>>> everyone, just use NAT(assuming they're home users), although there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> are
>>>>
>>>>> some who would take issue with that. Some of those who would take
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> issue
>>>>
>>>>> are
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> people of this list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Routing could be done using a Linux box. You'd need multiple
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> interfaces,
>>>>>
>>>>>> and you'd want it to be redundant, although you'd want that as part
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>> any
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> setup you would use. Play with iptables some to get it set up and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> running
>>>>>
>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What kind of networks will you be running that you'll want to keep
>>>>>>> separate?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2012 11:57 PM, "Justin Reiners"<justin at hotlinesinc.**com<justin at hotlinesinc.com>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey eveyone, weird question, I have done my googling, to no avail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>> was
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wondering if anyone here works for an ISP, or has the understanding
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>> first time setup. My boss have come to me with a task, He is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> looking
>>>>
>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> starting an ISP in his home town, as there are no, 100MB+ isps in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> area,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> connection type is fixed wireless, or microwave. He owns a tower in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IA, I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cannot say where exactly it is located because he hosts things for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> CIA,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FBI and such. He also has fiber to the building, unused at the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> moment,
>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> he also has all the capital he needs to get it going. I have some
>>>>>>>> questions, He wants to start with 1Gb of bandwidth, and knows
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> plenty
>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>> businesses in the area that are looking to go faster.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. When the fiber is installed, will we be left with a 1Gigabit
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ethernet
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> port I route off of?
>>>>>>>> 2. I assume we will need to buy public IPs. any idea on the costs?
>>>>>>>> 3. What types of switches and routers do you recommend, (hoping it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is
>>>>
>>>>> just
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ethernet) (number of users will be around 20 at first, then the sky
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> limit.)
>>>>>>>> 4. can the routing be done using a linux box?
>>>>>>>> 5. Can multiple users use the same directional antenna?
>>>>>>>> 6. How can we keep networks seperate?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any help will be appreciated. I am hoping someone in the group
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> works
>>>>
>>>>> with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this type of thing. google has not been much help, I find a lot of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OLD
>>>>>
>>>>>> ISP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> pages, talking of dialup modems of such. lol.
>>>>>>>>
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