[olug] starting broadband ISP, any suggestions?

Justin Reiners justin at hotlinesinc.com
Mon Aug 20 13:47:04 UTC 2012 

Sam, do you know anyone on the tech side of it there?

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Justin Reiners <justin at hotlinesinc.com>wrote:

> Thanks rob! You gave some awesome starting points. I will start there. The
> tower is located east of Des Moines, so a little further than 50km, I would
> love for someone to be able to test it. We do have an accountant there we
> could probably set them up to test, The bullets look very interesting, I
> assume those go on the tower? how many users can one support? Line of site
> is not generally required, in fact dropping it would be a lot easier to set
> up. Do you run an ISP?
>  On Aug 20, 2012 3:58 AM, "Rob Townley" <rob.townley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Not sure what you are asking, but ubnt.com has some cool wireless
>> stuff and starting to incorporate GPS into equipment to help maximize
>> signal-to-noise ratio. It would be worth it to register and poke
>> around in their forums even if you do not use their stuff.
>>
>> 100Mbps long range 50km wireless using their AirMax stuff.
>> Line-of-sight, but i wonder if you could get substantial bandwidth
>> even when not line-of-sight.  Since bullet Ms are inexpensive ($50),
>> it would be worth buying several to test out.  Let me know how dead-on
>> line-of-sight accurate is actually required.
>> http://www.ubnt.com/airmax#bulletm
>>
>>
>> ubiquiti's airfiber is not microwave as it 24GhZ (yes, that is right,
>> no decimal. twenty-four GhZ) and claims to support 1GB wireless to
>> 13km.  Line-of-sight.  Developed from a former Motorola team.
>> http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber
>>
>> i had trouble finding a distributor that would actually sell me a
>> bullet m when i first tried a year or so ago.  But now,
>> http://www.microcom.us/bullet5.html sells several versions.  So no, i
>> do NOT have any real experience with this long range hardware, but
>> would be interested to see what you find.  If you are within 50km of
>> the Westroads, i might be willing to test.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Justin Reiners <justin at hotlinesinc.com>
>> wrote:
>> > line of site wireless is the dream, that is more my bosses realm, I just
>> > move packets. he leases space on his tower to many different companies.
>> He
>> > thinks he can do some type of directional microwave transmission, said
>> it
>> > will easily support his speeds he is looking for.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Jason N <dashrender at cox.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> how are you going to get from your tower to the clients?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---- Justin Reiners <justin at hotlinesinc.com> wrote:
>> >> Ohh, touche, I guess on cox and such everyone is on the same network
>> (for
>> >> the most part), just firewalled on the client side (we hope :) ) so you
>> >> think regular off the shelf (meaning cisco and such, not linksys or
>> >> netgear) routers and switches. good good. My boss has checked on his
>> pipe,
>> >> can get it for about 9 grand a month, (1Gigabit, multiple fiber drops
>> >> already exist at his tower.)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Kevin <sharpestmarble at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > What if some business that you provide service to wants to contact
>> some
>> >> > other business you provide service to? i.e. A small business that
>> hosts
>> >> > their own website or mail server?
>> >> > On Aug 20, 2012 12:23 AM, "Justin Reiners" <justin at hotlinesinc.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > The upstream bandwidth will be fiber, 1 gigabit, already priced.
>> The
>> >> > users
>> >> > > will be business users, requiring at least 50/50, or whatever they
>> >> need.
>> >> > > their will be 100Mb users as well. I would like all users
>> (businesses)
>> >> IP
>> >> > > to be segregated for security reasons. all businesses will need
>> static
>> >> > > public IPs. Last mile will be microwave.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Kevin <sharpestmarble at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > What is your upstream bandwidth like? Fiber? From who? They are
>> the
>> >> > > people
>> >> > > > you'll need to buy your IPs from. You don't need to buy a public
>> IP
>> >> for
>> >> > > > everyone, just use NAT(assuming they're home users), although
>> there
>> >> are
>> >> > > > some who would take issue with that. Some of those who would take
>> >> issue
>> >> > > are
>> >> > > > people of this list.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Routing could be done using a Linux box. You'd need multiple
>> >> > interfaces,
>> >> > > > and you'd want it to be redundant, although you'd want that as
>> part
>> >> of
>> >> > > any
>> >> > > > setup you would use. Play with iptables some to get it set up and
>> >> > running
>> >> > > > properly.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > What kind of networks will you be running that you'll want to
>> keep
>> >> > > > separate?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Aug 19, 2012 11:57 PM, "Justin Reiners" <
>> justin at hotlinesinc.com>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > Hey eveyone, weird question, I have done my googling, to no
>> avail.
>> >> I
>> >> > > was
>> >> > > > > wondering if anyone here works for an ISP, or has the
>> understanding
>> >> > of
>> >> > > > > first time setup. My boss have come to me with a task, He is
>> >> looking
>> >> > > for
>> >> > > > > starting an ISP in his home town, as there are no, 100MB+ isps
>> in
>> >> the
>> >> > > > area,
>> >> > > > > connection type is fixed wireless, or microwave. He owns a
>> tower in
>> >> > > IA, I
>> >> > > > > cannot say where exactly it is located because he hosts things
>> for
>> >> > the
>> >> > > > CIA,
>> >> > > > > FBI and such. He also has fiber to the building, unused at the
>> >> > moment,
>> >> > > > and
>> >> > > > > he also has all the capital he needs to get it going. I have
>> some
>> >> > > > > questions, He wants to start with 1Gb of bandwidth, and knows
>> >> plenty
>> >> > of
>> >> > > > > businesses in the area that are looking to go faster.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > 1. When the fiber is installed, will we be left with a 1Gigabit
>> >> > > Ethernet
>> >> > > > > port I route off of?
>> >> > > > > 2. I assume we will need to buy public IPs. any idea on the
>> costs?
>> >> > > > > 3. What types of switches and routers do you recommend,
>> (hoping it
>> >> is
>> >> > > > just
>> >> > > > > ethernet) (number of users will be around 20 at first, then
>> the sky
>> >> > is
>> >> > > > the
>> >> > > > > limit.)
>> >> > > > > 4. can the routing be done using a linux box?
>> >> > > > > 5. Can multiple users use the same directional antenna?
>> >> > > > > 6. How can we keep networks seperate?
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Any help will be appreciated. I am hoping someone in the group
>> >> works
>> >> > > with
>> >> > > > > this type of thing. google has not been much help, I find a
>> lot of
>> >> > OLD
>> >> > > > ISP
>> >> > > > > pages, talking of dialup modems of such. lol.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > --
>> >> > > > > Justin Reiners
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