[olug] starting broadband ISP, any suggestions?

Mon Aug 20 13:41:07 UTC 2012

Thanks rob! You gave some awesome starting points. I will start there. The
tower is located east of Des Moines, so a little further than 50km, I would
love for someone to be able to test it. We do have an accountant there we
could probably set them up to test, The bullets look very interesting, I
assume those go on the tower? how many users can one support? Line of site
is not generally required, in fact dropping it would be a lot easier to set
up. Do you run an ISP?
On Aug 20, 2012 3:58 AM, "Rob Townley" <rob.townley at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not sure what you are asking, but ubnt.com has some cool wireless
> stuff and starting to incorporate GPS into equipment to help maximize
> signal-to-noise ratio. It would be worth it to register and poke
> around in their forums even if you do not use their stuff.
>
> 100Mbps long range 50km wireless using their AirMax stuff.
> Line-of-sight, but i wonder if you could get substantial bandwidth
> even when not line-of-sight.  Since bullet Ms are inexpensive ($50),
> it would be worth buying several to test out.  Let me know how dead-on
> line-of-sight accurate is actually required.
> http://www.ubnt.com/airmax#bulletm
>
>
> ubiquiti's airfiber is not microwave as it 24GhZ (yes, that is right,
> no decimal. twenty-four GhZ) and claims to support 1GB wireless to
> 13km.  Line-of-sight.  Developed from a former Motorola team.
> http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber
>
> i had trouble finding a distributor that would actually sell me a
> bullet m when i first tried a year or so ago.  But now,
> http://www.microcom.us/bullet5.html sells several versions.  So no, i
> do NOT have any real experience with this long range hardware, but
> would be interested to see what you find.  If you are within 50km of
> the Westroads, i might be willing to test.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Justin Reiners <justin at hotlinesinc.com>
> wrote:
> > line of site wireless is the dream, that is more my bosses realm, I just
> > move packets. he leases space on his tower to many different companies.
> He
> > thinks he can do some type of directional microwave transmission, said it
> > will easily support his speeds he is looking for.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Jason N <dashrender at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> how are you going to get from your tower to the clients?
> >>
> >>
> >> ---- Justin Reiners <justin at hotlinesinc.com> wrote:
> >> Ohh, touche, I guess on cox and such everyone is on the same network
> (for
> >> the most part), just firewalled on the client side (we hope :) ) so you
> >> think regular off the shelf (meaning cisco and such, not linksys or
> >> netgear) routers and switches. good good. My boss has checked on his
> pipe,
> >> can get it for about 9 grand a month, (1Gigabit, multiple fiber drops
> >> already exist at his tower.)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Kevin <sharpestmarble at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > What if some business that you provide service to wants to contact
> some
> >> > other business you provide service to? i.e. A small business that
> hosts
> >> > their own website or mail server?
> >> > On Aug 20, 2012 12:23 AM, "Justin Reiners" <justin at hotlinesinc.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > The upstream bandwidth will be fiber, 1 gigabit, already priced. The
> >> > users
> >> > > will be business users, requiring at least 50/50, or whatever they
> >> need.
> >> > > their will be 100Mb users as well. I would like all users
> (businesses)
> >> IP
> >> > > to be segregated for security reasons. all businesses will need
> static
> >> > > public IPs. Last mile will be microwave.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Kevin <sharpestmarble at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > What is your upstream bandwidth like? Fiber? From who? They are
> the
> >> > > people
> >> > > > you'll need to buy your IPs from. You don't need to buy a public
> IP
> >> for
> >> > > > everyone, just use NAT(assuming they're home users), although
> there
> >> are
> >> > > > some who would take issue with that. Some of those who would take
> >> issue
> >> > > are
> >> > > > people of this list.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Routing could be done using a Linux box. You'd need multiple
> >> > interfaces,
> >> > > > and you'd want it to be redundant, although you'd want that as
> part
> >> of
> >> > > any
> >> > > > setup you would use. Play with iptables some to get it set up and
> >> > running
> >> > > > properly.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > What kind of networks will you be running that you'll want to keep
> >> > > > separate?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Aug 19, 2012 11:57 PM, "Justin Reiners" <
> justin at hotlinesinc.com>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Hey eveyone, weird question, I have done my googling, to no
> avail.
> >> I
> >> > > was
> >> > > > > wondering if anyone here works for an ISP, or has the
> understanding
> >> > of
> >> > > > > first time setup. My boss have come to me with a task, He is
> >> looking
> >> > > for
> >> > > > > starting an ISP in his home town, as there are no, 100MB+ isps
> in
> >> the
> >> > > > area,
> >> > > > > connection type is fixed wireless, or microwave. He owns a
> tower in
> >> > > IA, I
> >> > > > > cannot say where exactly it is located because he hosts things
> for
> >> > the
> >> > > > CIA,
> >> > > > > FBI and such. He also has fiber to the building, unused at the
> >> > moment,
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > > he also has all the capital he needs to get it going. I have
> some
> >> > > > > questions, He wants to start with 1Gb of bandwidth, and knows
> >> plenty
> >> > of
> >> > > > > businesses in the area that are looking to go faster.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 1. When the fiber is installed, will we be left with a 1Gigabit
> >> > > Ethernet
> >> > > > > port I route off of?
> >> > > > > 2. I assume we will need to buy public IPs. any idea on the
> costs?
> >> > > > > 3. What types of switches and routers do you recommend, (hoping
> it
> >> is
> >> > > > just
> >> > > > > ethernet) (number of users will be around 20 at first, then the
> sky
> >> > is
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > limit.)
> >> > > > > 4. can the routing be done using a linux box?
> >> > > > > 5. Can multiple users use the same directional antenna?
> >> > > > > 6. How can we keep networks seperate?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Any help will be appreciated. I am hoping someone in the group
> >> works
> >> > > with
> >> > > > > this type of thing. google has not been much help, I find a lot
> of
> >> > OLD
> >> > > > ISP
> >> > > > > pages, talking of dialup modems of such. lol.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --
> >> > > > > Justin Reiners
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> >> > > > > www.MrCycleParts.com
> >> > > > > Service/Support/Training
> >> > > > > Back-end Systems Support.
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