[olug] Community Colo Project
Dan Clough
dclough at gmail.com
Fri Apr 3 14:12:47 UTC 2009
I like Omaha Internet Exchange.
Simple, to the point and flexible enough for whatever we do in the future.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Charles.Bird" <charles.bird at powerdnn.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:36:25
To: Omaha Linux User Group<olug at olug.org>
Subject: Re: [olug] Community Colo Project
I dont know if I missed it or not, was there a name choosen yet?
Omaha 1337 Consortium?? lol
Omaha Area Internet Exchange "OAIX" because some day we will have multiple
10GbE right?
13 0 13's House (Slackware and Subgenuis ppl better get that one)
i dunno, just some ideas.
Time for me to ghost a bunch of machines! zzzzzz.....
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Charles.Bird <charles.bird at powerdnn.com>wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Dan Clough <dclough at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hah, I'll throw these out mainly because we won't need to buy new domains:
>>
>> MiniARPA Networks (I have miniarpa.net)
>> RedTorch Networks (I have redtorch.org)
>>
>> I've always wanted to start a business, so I've registered quite a few
>> domains that I thought sounded cool or just plain wanted... with the
>> newest addition being clough.tel! ;)
>>
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>
>
> I have ColdIsle.com .net and .org
>
> I thought it was a cool name, no pun intended. :D
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Will Langford wrote:
>> > OLCOLO - omaha linux colo!OLUC - omana linux user colo
>> >
>> > j/k
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Dan Clough <dclough at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Sounds like a reasonable possibility. Could you provide some
>> >> information on your company or a URL? Something in the IT sector would
>> >> be best, mainly because "John's Floral Arrangements and Datacenter"
>> >> doesn't flow quite as nicely as I'd like it to.
>> >>
>> >> David Walker wrote:
>> >>> 03601- at bxe1115.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <
>> >> 49D50F08.5060109 at brutsche.us> <49D5102B.9070006 at roweware.com> <
>> >> 49D512E9.7070608 at gmail.com>
>> >>> In-Reply-To: <49D512E9.7070608 at gmail.com>
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>> >>> One possibility is running it through my company. Obviously we would
>> >>> want to make sure that we structured everything financially so the
>> risk
>> >>> to my company would be low and so that there would not be an undue
>> load
>> >>> on us, but we have an accounting and billing system in place and we
>> have
>> >>> been around for 9 years this summer.
>> >>>
>> >>> I do believe that proper governance and accountability are essential
>> to
>> >>> this venture. For all of the "community" aspects, such as lower cost,
>> >>> relaxed specs on rackmount vs tower, there definitely needs to be an
>> >>> organized structure to keep everything going.
>> >>>
>> >>> Setting up and LLC is not too hard but someone would have to manage it
>> >>> and it would have to be determined who held how many shares and what
>> >>> that meant. Someone would definitely have to be responsible for
>> billing
>> >>> and for enforcing the billing requirements
>> >>>
>> >>> Dan Clough wrote:
>> >>>> Figuring out a pricing structure is a priority at this point in time,
>> >>>> but that's currently on hold until we find out what the damage is for
>> >>>> the Pinpoint cage and power circuits. With all the pledges of
>> equipment
>> >>>> we've seen so far, I doubt our expenses will exceed that of the cage
>> >>>> space, power and bandwidth.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> While we're on the subject of finances, we *really* need to decide
>> what
>> >>>> we're going to do about legal entities. I've been juggling ideas
>> which
>> >>>> include forming our own nonprofit corporation, piggybacking on
>> another
>> >>>> organization or just dumping it on one person's shoulders. The last
>> one
>> >>>> is an obvious no-no as I doubt anyone would want to take sole fiscal
>> >>>> responsibility of the venture if it went tits-up. Ideas?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dave Rowe wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Phil Brutsche wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> People should be allowed to bring in anything they want (given
>> >>>>>> reasonable hardware constraints - ie 4U or smaller rackmount) as
>> long
>> >> as
>> >>>>>> they maintain their machine(s) properly and bay their bill.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I'm just making sure people are performing reality checks, we
>> >> shouldn't
>> >>>>>> be getting any grandiose ideas and ordering a 50Mbps line under the
>> >>>>>> assumption that there will be that many "clients".
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Dan Clough wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Well, that's just it. Hopefully it won't just be us, hopefully we
>> >>>>>>> can get people who want colocation or even local web hosting but
>> >>>>>>> can't find it... Even if it means inviting the WUG in... ;)
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> We want enough capacity for us to fill and for any other "clients"
>> >>>>>>> we'll hopefully bring on board. 20Meg should be fine.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> With that in mind, does someone who has an idea (ballpark is even
>> >>>>> valuable) as to what the monthly cost (+ setup? ie, to help cover
>> the
>> >>>>> Cogent installation?) per U is? Then, people who might use it can
>> >>>>> evaluate (reply to the list) with what they'd want (no obligation).
>> >>>>> Then, you'd have a better idea of how big the client base is, and
>> what
>> >>>>> the estimated usage would be.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I've throughly enjoyed following this, and see myself as a potential
>> >>>>> 'client' of this, but without knowing the monthly cost, I'm not
>> fully
>> >>>>> 'sold' on it.
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>> OLUG mailing list
>> >>>>> OLUG at olug.org
>> >>>>> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> OLUG mailing list
>> >>>> OLUG at olug.org
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>> >>> One possibility is running it through my company. Obviously we
>> >> would
>> >>> want to make sure that we structured everything financially so the
>> risk
>> >>> to my company would be low and so that there would not be an undue
>> load
>> >>> on us, but we have an accounting and billing system in place and we
>> >>> have been around for 9 years this summer.<br>
>> >>> <br>
>> >>> I do believe that proper governance and accountability are essential
>> to
>> >>> this venture. For all of the "community" aspects, such as lower
>> >> cost,
>> >>> relaxed specs on rackmount vs tower, there definitely needs to be an
>> >>> organized structure to keep everything going.<br>
>> >>> <br>
>> >>> Setting up and LLC is not too hard but someone would have to manage it
>> >>> and it would have to be determined who held how many shares and what
>> >>> that meant. Someone would definitely have to be responsible for
>> >>> billing and for enforcing the billing requirements<br>
>> >>> <br>
>> >>> Dan Clough wrote:
>> >>> <blockquote cite="mid:49D512E9.7070608 at gmail.com<mid%3A49D512E9.7070608 at gmail.com>
>> <mid%3A49D512E9.7070608 at gmail.com <mid%253A49D512E9.7070608 at gmail.com>>"
>> >> type="cite">
>> >>> <pre wrap="">Figuring out a pricing structure is a priority at this
>> >> point in time,
>> >>> but that's currently on hold until we find out what the damage is for
>> >>> the Pinpoint cage and power circuits. With all the pledges of
>> equipment
>> >>> we've seen so far, I doubt our expenses will exceed that of the cage
>> >>> space, power and bandwidth.
>> >>>
>> >>> While we're on the subject of finances, we *really* need to decide
>> what
>> >>> we're going to do about legal entities. I've been juggling ideas
>> which
>> >>> include forming our own nonprofit corporation, piggybacking on another
>> >>> organization or just dumping it on one person's shoulders. The last
>> one
>> >>> is an obvious no-no as I doubt anyone would want to take sole fiscal
>> >>> responsibility of the venture if it went tits-up. Ideas?
>> >>>
>> >>> Dave Rowe wrote:
>> >>> </pre>
>> >>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> >>> <pre wrap="">Phil Brutsche wrote:
>> >>> </pre>
>> >>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> >>> <pre wrap="">People should be allowed to bring in anything they
>> >> want (given
>> >>> reasonable hardware constraints - ie 4U or smaller rackmount) as long
>> as
>> >>> they maintain their machine(s) properly and bay their bill.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm just making sure people are performing reality checks, we
>> shouldn't
>> >>> be getting any grandiose ideas and ordering a 50Mbps line under the
>> >>> assumption that there will be that many "clients".
>> >>>
>> >>> Dan Clough wrote:
>> >>> </pre>
>> >>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> >>> <pre wrap="">Well, that's just it. Hopefully it won't just be
>> >> us, hopefully we
>> >>> can get people who want colocation or even local web hosting but
>> >>> can't find it... Even if it means inviting the WUG in... ;)
>> >>>
>> >>> We want enough capacity for us to fill and for any other "clients"
>> >>> we'll hopefully bring on board. 20Meg should be fine.
>> >>> </pre>
>> >>> </blockquote>
>> >>> </blockquote>
>> >>> <pre wrap="">With that in mind, does someone who has an idea
>> >> (ballpark is even
>> >>> valuable) as to what the monthly cost (+ setup? ie, to help cover the
>> >>> Cogent installation?) per U is? Then, people who might use it can
>> >>> evaluate (reply to the list) with what they'd want (no obligation).
>> >>> Then, you'd have a better idea of how big the client base is, and what
>> >>> the estimated usage would be.
>> >>>
>> >>> I've throughly enjoyed following this, and see myself as a potential
>> >>> 'client' of this, but without knowing the monthly cost, I'm not fully
>> >>> 'sold' on it.
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> OLUG mailing list
>> >>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:OLUG at olug.org">
>> >> OLUG at olug.org</a>
>> >>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="
>> >> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug">
>> >> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug</a>
>> >>> </pre>
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