[olug] Community Colo Project
Curtis LaMasters
curtislamasters at gmail.com
Fri Apr 3 13:46:11 UTC 2009
I own builthosting.com, it's not really doing anything.
Curtis LaMasters
http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
http://www.builtnetworks.com
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Charles.Bird <charles.bird at powerdnn.com> wrote:
> I dont know if I missed it or not, was there a name choosen yet?
> Omaha 1337 Consortium?? lol
> Omaha Area Internet Exchange "OAIX" because some day we will have multiple
> 10GbE right?
> 13 0 13's House (Slackware and Subgenuis ppl better get that one)
> i dunno, just some ideas.
>
> Time for me to ghost a bunch of machines! zzzzzz.....
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Charles.Bird <charles.bird at powerdnn.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Dan Clough <dclough at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hah, I'll throw these out mainly because we won't need to buy new domains:
>>>
>>> MiniARPA Networks (I have miniarpa.net)
>>> RedTorch Networks (I have redtorch.org)
>>>
>>> I've always wanted to start a business, so I've registered quite a few
>>> domains that I thought sounded cool or just plain wanted... with the
>>> newest addition being clough.tel! ;)
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I have ColdIsle.com .net and .org
>>
>> I thought it was a cool name, no pun intended. :D
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Will Langford wrote:
>>> > OLCOLO - omaha linux colo!OLUC - omana linux user colo
>>> >
>>> > j/k
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Dan Clough <dclough at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Sounds like a reasonable possibility. Could you provide some
>>> >> information on your company or a URL? Something in the IT sector would
>>> >> be best, mainly because "John's Floral Arrangements and Datacenter"
>>> >> doesn't flow quite as nicely as I'd like it to.
>>> >>
>>> >> David Walker wrote:
>>> >>> 03601- at bxe1115.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <
>>> >> 49D50F08.5060109 at brutsche.us> <49D5102B.9070006 at roweware.com> <
>>> >> 49D512E9.7070608 at gmail.com>
>>> >>> In-Reply-To: <49D512E9.7070608 at gmail.com>
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>>> >>> One possibility is running it through my company. Obviously we would
>>> >>> want to make sure that we structured everything financially so the
>>> risk
>>> >>> to my company would be low and so that there would not be an undue
>>> load
>>> >>> on us, but we have an accounting and billing system in place and we
>>> have
>>> >>> been around for 9 years this summer.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I do believe that proper governance and accountability are essential
>>> to
>>> >>> this venture. For all of the "community" aspects, such as lower cost,
>>> >>> relaxed specs on rackmount vs tower, there definitely needs to be an
>>> >>> organized structure to keep everything going.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Setting up and LLC is not too hard but someone would have to manage it
>>> >>> and it would have to be determined who held how many shares and what
>>> >>> that meant. Someone would definitely have to be responsible for
>>> billing
>>> >>> and for enforcing the billing requirements
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Dan Clough wrote:
>>> >>>> Figuring out a pricing structure is a priority at this point in time,
>>> >>>> but that's currently on hold until we find out what the damage is for
>>> >>>> the Pinpoint cage and power circuits. With all the pledges of
>>> equipment
>>> >>>> we've seen so far, I doubt our expenses will exceed that of the cage
>>> >>>> space, power and bandwidth.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> While we're on the subject of finances, we *really* need to decide
>>> what
>>> >>>> we're going to do about legal entities. I've been juggling ideas
>>> which
>>> >>>> include forming our own nonprofit corporation, piggybacking on
>>> another
>>> >>>> organization or just dumping it on one person's shoulders. The last
>>> one
>>> >>>> is an obvious no-no as I doubt anyone would want to take sole fiscal
>>> >>>> responsibility of the venture if it went tits-up. Ideas?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Dave Rowe wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Phil Brutsche wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> People should be allowed to bring in anything they want (given
>>> >>>>>> reasonable hardware constraints - ie 4U or smaller rackmount) as
>>> long
>>> >> as
>>> >>>>>> they maintain their machine(s) properly and bay their bill.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I'm just making sure people are performing reality checks, we
>>> >> shouldn't
>>> >>>>>> be getting any grandiose ideas and ordering a 50Mbps line under the
>>> >>>>>> assumption that there will be that many "clients".
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Dan Clough wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Well, that's just it. Hopefully it won't just be us, hopefully we
>>> >>>>>>> can get people who want colocation or even local web hosting but
>>> >>>>>>> can't find it... Even if it means inviting the WUG in... ;)
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> We want enough capacity for us to fill and for any other "clients"
>>> >>>>>>> we'll hopefully bring on board. 20Meg should be fine.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>> With that in mind, does someone who has an idea (ballpark is even
>>> >>>>> valuable) as to what the monthly cost (+ setup? ie, to help cover
>>> the
>>> >>>>> Cogent installation?) per U is? Then, people who might use it can
>>> >>>>> evaluate (reply to the list) with what they'd want (no obligation).
>>> >>>>> Then, you'd have a better idea of how big the client base is, and
>>> what
>>> >>>>> the estimated usage would be.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I've throughly enjoyed following this, and see myself as a potential
>>> >>>>> 'client' of this, but without knowing the monthly cost, I'm not
>>> fully
>>> >>>>> 'sold' on it.
>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>> OLUG mailing list
>>> >>>>> OLUG at olug.org
>>> >>>>> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>> OLUG mailing list
>>> >>>> OLUG at olug.org
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>>> >>> One possibility is running it through my company. Obviously we
>>> >> would
>>> >>> want to make sure that we structured everything financially so the
>>> risk
>>> >>> to my company would be low and so that there would not be an undue
>>> load
>>> >>> on us, but we have an accounting and billing system in place and we
>>> >>> have been around for 9 years this summer.<br>
>>> >>> <br>
>>> >>> I do believe that proper governance and accountability are essential
>>> to
>>> >>> this venture. For all of the "community" aspects, such as lower
>>> >> cost,
>>> >>> relaxed specs on rackmount vs tower, there definitely needs to be an
>>> >>> organized structure to keep everything going.<br>
>>> >>> <br>
>>> >>> Setting up and LLC is not too hard but someone would have to manage it
>>> >>> and it would have to be determined who held how many shares and what
>>> >>> that meant. Someone would definitely have to be responsible for
>>> >>> billing and for enforcing the billing requirements<br>
>>> >>> <br>
>>> >>> Dan Clough wrote:
>>> >>> <blockquote cite="mid:49D512E9.7070608 at gmail.com<mid%3A49D512E9.7070608 at gmail.com>
>>> <mid%3A49D512E9.7070608 at gmail.com <mid%253A49D512E9.7070608 at gmail.com>>"
>>> >> type="cite">
>>> >>> <pre wrap="">Figuring out a pricing structure is a priority at this
>>> >> point in time,
>>> >>> but that's currently on hold until we find out what the damage is for
>>> >>> the Pinpoint cage and power circuits. With all the pledges of
>>> equipment
>>> >>> we've seen so far, I doubt our expenses will exceed that of the cage
>>> >>> space, power and bandwidth.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> While we're on the subject of finances, we *really* need to decide
>>> what
>>> >>> we're going to do about legal entities. I've been juggling ideas
>>> which
>>> >>> include forming our own nonprofit corporation, piggybacking on another
>>> >>> organization or just dumping it on one person's shoulders. The last
>>> one
>>> >>> is an obvious no-no as I doubt anyone would want to take sole fiscal
>>> >>> responsibility of the venture if it went tits-up. Ideas?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Dave Rowe wrote:
>>> >>> </pre>
>>> >>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> >>> <pre wrap="">Phil Brutsche wrote:
>>> >>> </pre>
>>> >>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> >>> <pre wrap="">People should be allowed to bring in anything they
>>> >> want (given
>>> >>> reasonable hardware constraints - ie 4U or smaller rackmount) as long
>>> as
>>> >>> they maintain their machine(s) properly and bay their bill.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm just making sure people are performing reality checks, we
>>> shouldn't
>>> >>> be getting any grandiose ideas and ordering a 50Mbps line under the
>>> >>> assumption that there will be that many "clients".
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Dan Clough wrote:
>>> >>> </pre>
>>> >>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> >>> <pre wrap="">Well, that's just it. Hopefully it won't just be
>>> >> us, hopefully we
>>> >>> can get people who want colocation or even local web hosting but
>>> >>> can't find it... Even if it means inviting the WUG in... ;)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> We want enough capacity for us to fill and for any other "clients"
>>> >>> we'll hopefully bring on board. 20Meg should be fine.
>>> >>> </pre>
>>> >>> </blockquote>
>>> >>> </blockquote>
>>> >>> <pre wrap="">With that in mind, does someone who has an idea
>>> >> (ballpark is even
>>> >>> valuable) as to what the monthly cost (+ setup? ie, to help cover the
>>> >>> Cogent installation?) per U is? Then, people who might use it can
>>> >>> evaluate (reply to the list) with what they'd want (no obligation).
>>> >>> Then, you'd have a better idea of how big the client base is, and what
>>> >>> the estimated usage would be.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I've throughly enjoyed following this, and see myself as a potential
>>> >>> 'client' of this, but without knowing the monthly cost, I'm not fully
>>> >>> 'sold' on it.
>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>> OLUG mailing list
>>> >>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:OLUG at olug.org">
>>> >> OLUG at olug.org</a>
>>> >>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="
>>> >> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug">
>>> >> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug</a>
>>> >>> </pre>
>>> >>> </blockquote>
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