[olug] OT: evil poll

[Thomas D. Williamson]

My father-in-law was dependent on big government programs the last  
years of his life. Were it not for Medicare, Medicaid and Social  
Security, he would have lived a very short unpleasant life and left my  
mother-in-law destitute. I see this happen with other families  
regularly.

When the corrections for the Depression 1931, after the 1929 Crash,  
occurred, the solution of government programs to create employment for  
about a third of the 25% of the population unemployed stimulated the  
economy and allowed the rebuilding of the industrial base that when WW  
II began the tooling up for that conflict kept us a head of the German  
industries.

Conversely when you have an administration that acts out the concept  
that government programs are bad there are the failures that we saw  
with FEMA. We saw it in the lack of inspections for safety and purity  
from international imports of food, drugs, and products for children.

There are many things that "big government" does for us as a nation  
and a society that individuals and local communities cannot do for  
themselves. It is such a natural part of civil society we do not see  
it immediately.


Tom Williamson

Quoting Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com>:

> This whole topic is moot.  There are only 2 realistic candidates.  One is
> for big government and the other is for extremely big government.  From the
> two, I pick the less big government.  McCain.
>
> When in your life has a big federal government benefited you?  As an
> example, I point to the recent flooding in LA and IA.  Those completely
> dependent on the government were screwed, those that pride themselves for
> their independence did not suffer in the same needless manner.  Making
> yourself dependent on government is a recipe for disaster.
>
> And as someone already mentioned, having matching parties in control of the
> executive and legislative branches is disaster.  History bears this fact out
> -- I encourage yourself to find out more about what happens when this
> occurs.
>
> There are two, completely logical and defensible positions.  Make up your
> own minds, don't let the media, group think or worse, control your vote.
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:58 PM, T. J. Brumfield   
> <enderandrew at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Christopher Cashell
>> <topher-olug at zyp.org> wrote:
>> > The first was McCain's appointment of Sarah Palin.  John McCain is 72
>> > years old, and the average life expectancy in the US for men is about
>> > 75 years.  That means that statistically, McCain will most likely die
>> > before he finishes his term as president, if elected.  And I think
>>
>> If you don't like Palin, you don't like Palin.  I can certainly
>> understand that.  However I don't think it is fair to speculate he is
>> going to die of old age.  Most people retire, and then lead inactive
>> lives at his age.  Most people aren't rich, and don't have excellent
>> health care.  McCain is active, is rich, has excellent heath care, and
>> has a healthy, active mother in her late 90's.
>>
>> Active people tend to live longer.  It isn't a given he is just going
>> to up and die in the next four years.
>>
>> -- T, J,
>> "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
>> people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
>> --Douglas Adams
>> "Nihilism makes me smile."
>> --Christopher Quick
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