[olug] Tor could be all the more important

Fri Jul 29 18:12:12 UTC 2011

The law doesn't apply anyway because the corollary being made is to 
totalitarian regime and is thus a valid comparison to Nazis.

On 7/29/11 12:39 PM, Kevin wrote:
> I call intentional invoking of the law. I was referring to "there was
> no one left to speak out for me"; the origins of the poem are
> irrelevant to what I am saying.
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 12:01, T. J. Brumfield<enderandrew at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Kevin<sharpestmarble at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Neither do I. Once they start tracking this, it's a logical next step
>>> to tracking connections. At which point if it were a "we prefer you do
>>> this", then we open bittorrent for lots of legal torrents and start
>>> creating connections left and right and make it economically
>>> impossible for them to do so. However, this is the government. They
>>> will require ISPs to track this, whereupon it becomes a cost passed
>>> along to the consumer. And as for the slippery slope, we've started
>>> down it long ago. And....
>>>     First they came for the communists,
>>>     and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
>>>
>>>     Then they came for the trade unionists,
>>>     and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
>>>
>>>     Then they came for the Jews,
>>>     and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
>>>
>>>     Then they came for me
>>>     and there was no one left to speak out for me.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:15, Dave Rowe<dave at roweware.com>  wrote:
>>>> /facepalm - you're right, Kevin.  A bit alarmist on my end.
>>>>
>>>> Still.  I don't like where this could go.
>>>>
>>>> -Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Dave Rowe<dave at roweware.com>  wrote:
>>>>> Where did you read that?  It referenced an early draft from 18 months
>>>>> ago would only track that information.
>>>>>
>>>>>  From the beginning of the article:
>>>>> "A last-minute rewrite of the bill expands the information that
>>>>> commercial Internet providers are required to store to include
>>>>> customers' names, addresses, phone numbers, credit card numbers, bank
>>>>> account numbers, and temporarily-assigned IP addresses, some committee
>>>>> members suggested. By a 7-16 vote, the panel rejected an amendment
>>>>> that would have clarified that only IP addresses must be stored."
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Kevin<sharpestmarble at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> According to TFA, it was just accounting stuff and DHCP IPs that would
>>>>>> be tracked(name, address, bank account/CC#). Actual traffic and
>>>>>> connections wouldn't be logged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:36, T. J. Brumfield<enderandrew at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> There has been evidence that Tor isn't really anonymous and can be
>>> tracked
>>>>>>> back to you. On top of that, they're talking ISP sniffing, so they're
>>>>>>> grabbing your data directly from your connection to the internet. So
>>> they'll
>>>>>>> have your MAC, and all your traffic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the end, I'm not worried too much because ultimately I don't have
>>>>>>> anything to hide. But this should be just like any other kind of
>>> search, and
>>>>>>> dependent on a warrant. I'm not sure why warrantless tracking and
>>> searches
>>>>>>> are suddenly acceptable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://xkcd.com/538/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:32 AM,<jman at miwire.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    I keep all for at least one year....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    Kelly Williams<kellywilliams81 at gmail.com>  wrote ..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok I agree with you for the children, but our privacy like emails to
>>>>>>>> loved ones or IMs to that special someone that you love. In a way I
>>> am
>>>>>>>> glad I am cutting my internet service and use public internet. But
>>> using
>>>>>>>> https and tor with a proxy. Plus if sending a file to online backup
>>>>>>>> encrypt it before I send it....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/29/2011 10:02 AM, Kevin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> But think of the children! What will protect them from Internet
>>>>>>>>> Pornographers?!?! :rolleyes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 09:55, Dave Rowe  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Using utilities like Tor and what not for protecting traffic -
>>> even
>>>>>>>>>> legit, 'normal' traffic.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20084939-281/house-panel-approves-broadene
>>>>>>>> d-isp-snooping-bill/?tag=mantle_skin;content
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