[olug] Tor could be all the more important

[Kevin]

Neither do I. Once they start tracking this, it's a logical next step
to tracking connections. At which point if it were a "we prefer you do
this", then we open bittorrent for lots of legal torrents and start
creating connections left and right and make it economically
impossible for them to do so. However, this is the government. They
will require ISPs to track this, whereupon it becomes a cost passed
along to the consumer. And as for the slippery slope, we've started
down it long ago. And....
    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:15, Dave Rowe <dave at roweware.com> wrote:
> /facepalm - you're right, Kevin.  A bit alarmist on my end.
>
> Still.  I don't like where this could go.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Dave Rowe <dave at roweware.com> wrote:
>> Where did you read that?  It referenced an early draft from 18 months
>> ago would only track that information.
>>
>> From the beginning of the article:
>> "A last-minute rewrite of the bill expands the information that
>> commercial Internet providers are required to store to include
>> customers' names, addresses, phone numbers, credit card numbers, bank
>> account numbers, and temporarily-assigned IP addresses, some committee
>> members suggested. By a 7-16 vote, the panel rejected an amendment
>> that would have clarified that only IP addresses must be stored."
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Kevin <sharpestmarble at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> According to TFA, it was just accounting stuff and DHCP IPs that would
>>> be tracked(name, address, bank account/CC#). Actual traffic and
>>> connections wouldn't be logged.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:36, T. J. Brumfield <enderandrew at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> There has been evidence that Tor isn't really anonymous and can be tracked
>>>> back to you. On top of that, they're talking ISP sniffing, so they're
>>>> grabbing your data directly from your connection to the internet. So they'll
>>>> have your MAC, and all your traffic.
>>>>
>>>> In the end, I'm not worried too much because ultimately I don't have
>>>> anything to hide. But this should be just like any other kind of search, and
>>>> dependent on a warrant. I'm not sure why warrantless tracking and searches
>>>> are suddenly acceptable.
>>>>
>>>> http://xkcd.com/538/
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:32 AM, <jman at miwire.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   I keep all for at least one year....
>>>>>
>>>>>   Kelly Williams <kellywilliams81 at gmail.com> wrote ..
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok I agree with you for the children, but our privacy like emails to
>>>>> loved ones or IMs to that special someone that you love. In a way I am
>>>>> glad I am cutting my internet service and use public internet. But using
>>>>> https and tor with a proxy. Plus if sending a file to online backup
>>>>> encrypt it before I send it....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/29/2011 10:02 AM, Kevin wrote:
>>>>> > But think of the children! What will protect them from Internet
>>>>> > Pornographers?!?! :rolleyes:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 09:55, Dave Rowe  wrote:
>>>>> >> Using utilities like Tor and what not for protecting traffic - even
>>>>> >> legit, 'normal' traffic.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20084939-281/house-panel-approves-broadene
>>>>> d-isp-snooping-bill/?tag=mantle_skin;content
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