[olug] Verizon 4G

Fri Aug 19 13:07:00 UTC 2011

Just to clarify, Verizon is the wireline (landline) business, Verizon 
Wireless is a separate entity in partnership with Verizon and 
Vodaphone.  I know we tend to lump them together, but there are some 
differences. I believe the contract and pension issues are related to 
the wireline business, not the wireless.  But, someone with more telco 
business knowledge than me can put more light on the subject.

On 08/19/2011 07:54 AM, Jason N wrote:
> I agree there is more going on than we realize.  I personally dislike the use of the word greed.  Basically because I see greed as doing something illegal inorder to make gains personal or corporate.  This is not the same as good ol' fastion capitalism, which is pounding the payment as hard as you can to earn as much as you can by any legal means... hate to say it, but if that means cutting pentions, that's what that means, because when you are in business it's all about the all mighty dollar.  and as long as you are not breaking the law with your reduction in pensions, etc... (think enron) then you as the employeed always have the right to go work for another company that doens't cut pensions.  If a company keeps that up to long they will lose all of their great talent and will eventually fail.  Just my two cents.
>
>
> ---- DYNATRON tech<dynatron at gmail.com>  wrote:
> the problem seems to be deeper than just finding money to invest in
> infrastructure. the technology exists and the investment capital exists.
> perhaps i'm mistaken, but expanding on my previous example, verizon boasted
> 3X gain in profits last quarter over the previous quarter, on top of it they
> are attempting to cut pensions, benefits, and workers and have entered a
> stalemate with CWA and IBEW. for what? greed? maybe, but that seems to
> simple of an answer for me.
>
> perhaps they are lying to the shareholders?
>
> i'm not an economist, but the problem seems more complicated than just
> blaming it on demand and a weak economy, as well as just blaming the
> almighty corporation. things are never as simple as we would like to
> believe.
>
> whatever the case, it's definitely more complicated than a long line for
> beer, as entertaining as aric's colorful analogies are.
>
> it's an interesting discussion.
> thanks to all for some alternate perspectives.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Jason N<dashrender at cox.net>  wrote:
>
>> I'm guessing we are also seeing the bandwidth problem over the airwaves as
>> well... 250 million Cell phones in the USA.. can you image china or India?
>> Ever go to a major sporting event and not be able to make a phone call
>> because the other 20K people are making a call at the same time?
>>
>>
>> ---- Sam Tetherow<tetherow at shwisp.net>  wrote:
>> Not sure how you get to 'technology progressing backwards'.  The issue
>> is that bandwidth usage has outstripped last-mile network capacity.
>>
>> On 8/18/11 3:54 PM, DYNATRON tech wrote:
>>> yep. so sad watching technology progress backwards.
>>> On Aug 18, 2011 3:50 PM, "Sam Tetherow"<tetherow at shwisp.net>   wrote:
>>>> Not counting grandfathered contracts, I think the only provider still
>>>> offering unlimited data is Sprint.
>>>>
>>>> Within the next 5 years I think you will be hard pressed to find any
>>>> provider (mobile or fixed) that will provide truly unlimited data.
>>>>
>>>> On 8/18/11 3:45 PM, DYNATRON tech wrote:
>>>>> if it's capped, it's crap.
>>>>> On Aug 18, 2011 3:35 PM, "Sam Tetherow"<tetherow at shwisp.net>   wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah, for the first 5GB, then it either gets really slow or really
>>>>>> expensive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/18/11 3:13 PM, Jason N wrote:
>>>>>>> It is better than Cox's home super premium connection?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---- Aric<aric at omahax.com>   wrote:
>>>>>>> Is anyone else getting a 25mb down and 5mb up Verizon 4G LTE
>>> connection?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A co-workers phone was getting that at about 33rd and Q today on a
>>>>> Samsung
>>>>>>> Charge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> OLUG mailing list
>>>>>>> OLUG at olug.org
>>>>>>> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> OLUG mailing list
>>>>>>> OLUG at olug.org
>>>>>>> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> OLUG mailing list
>>>>>> OLUG at olug.org
>>>>>> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> OLUG mailing list
>>>>> OLUG at olug.org
>>>>> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> OLUG mailing list
>>>> OLUG at olug.org
>>>> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OLUG mailing list
>>> OLUG at olug.org
>>> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug
>> _______________________________________________
>> OLUG mailing list
>> OLUG at olug.org
>> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug
>> _______________________________________________
>> OLUG mailing list
>> OLUG at olug.org
>> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug
>>
>
>