[olug] trouble

Mon Dec 28 16:12:50 UTC 2009

i'd have to agree with your KDE comments. i used to use it exclusively for
linux, but i didn't like KDE's performance on any (k)ubuntu distribution
i've tried. i was under the false impression that KDE 4 sucked until i tried
it with some other distros. it's actually (still) a very good desktop.

as far as ubuntu and KDE - that's not a deal breaker for me. gnome fits my
needs better on my desktop, and my brain is now wired for gnome shortcut
keys that don't work on KDE without extra configuration.

i would recommend using a different distro if you are a fan of KDE. however,
if you are a gnome user, give ubuntu a try.

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 9:17 AM, T. J. Brumfield <enderandrew at gmail.com>wrote:

> Distros decide which drivers they compile into the kernel. Hardware
> compatibility does differ a little from distro to distro, but for the
> most part, hardware compatibility is fairly the same.
>
> Ubuntu ships the Gnome desktop, but they didn't write Gnome, nor have
> they pushed much code upstream.
>
> Personally, I loathe Gnome. Others enjoy it. To each their own, but I
> honestly go KDE > Windows > Gnome.
>
> Red Hat/Fedora, and SLED/openSUSE push far more code upstream. They
> not only put out very easy to use desktops, that are more stable
> (Ubuntu does tend to put out tons of broken packages), but they push
> for more innovation.
>
> Who developed Compiz? That was openSUSE. Who is pushing for most of
> the feature development with Mono, Evolution, OpenChange, OpenOffice,
> Samba, Moonlight, etc? Again, that is openSUSE. Their installation
> tool (Yast) was around before Ubuntu. And didn't Ubuntu just borrow
> the Red Hat/Fedora install tool initially?
>
> The Red Hat/Fedora guys push for tons of major projects. Lately
> they've been focusing on the Intel video drivers, Xorg and KMS, but
> these guys really do push a lot of new code upstream.
>
> I keep hearing how Ubuntu invented and innovated. They've pushed Wubi
> into the public eye. Apt honestly was better than yum and most rpm
> systems initially, but that isn't the case these days. And Ubuntu
> didn't develop apt. That was just part of Debian. Ubuntu helped
> develop a nice notification system, but KDE also developed their own
> notification system that arguably is just as good.
>
> What really concerns me is that each time there is a major Ubuntu
> release, it is fairly broken. Ubuntu has the largest package
> repositories, but their polish on packages is pretty piss-poor. Their
> KDE desktop is the single worst of any major distro. Every major
> complaint I've heard about KDE 4 is from someone who installed it via
> Ubuntu/Kubuntu, and had KDE crashing left and right.
>
> If you try a good distro like openSUSE, Arch, Sabayon, etc. you'd see
> a fast, responsible, and stable KDE. I really don't know how the
> Ubuntu guys botch their KDE packages so badly.
>
> -- T. J.
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 8:14 AM, DYNATRON tech <dynatron at gmail.com> wrote:
> > yeah, some wireless and video hardware don't work (or don't fully work)
> > until you install a provided driver and reboot. not a deal breaker as far
> as
> > i'm concerned. it's usually a matter of ubuntu not installing proprietary
> > drivers by default. i think there is an option in the text installer that
> > will eliminate this issue, but i just do it post-install.
> >
> > it (8.04 --> 9.10) installs flawlessly on most of my hardware from my PII
> > 450MHz VCR to my AMD X2 64-bit dual core laptop.
> >
> > luke, i'm not sure what issue you might be having with your installs, but
> > you have a great resource here on OLUG, and there is a huge communtiy in
> the
> > ubuntu forums always willing to help.
> >
> >
> > wishing you all had a great holiday,
> >
> > -j
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Dave Thacker <dthacker at bluestrain.net
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On Sunday 27 December 2009 10:33:17 pm Luke-Jr wrote:
> >> > On Thursday 24 December 2009 02:14:04 pm DYNATRON tech wrote:
> >> > > the innovation of ubuntu is that it is the most user-friendly
> distro.
> >> > > little-to-no configuration is needed for it to work properly on most
> >> > > modern hardware. it's optimistically the windows killer,
> >> pessimistically
> >> > > it's just a really good distro.
> >> >
> >> > Linux does all the hardware stuff, and as Rob pointed out via Greg's
> >> >  article, Canonical/Ubuntu do next to nothing there. In theory,
> anything
> >> >  using Linux will work on the same hardware. That said, I have been
> >> >  constantly amazed at how Ubuntu won't even boot on a single PC I own,
> >> and
> >> >  always has hardware issues on every system I've tried it on. Also, I
> >> >  *only* use Linux, so it's NOT a problem with Linux in general. So,
> no,
> >> >  Ubuntu is FAR from good (or even decent) in the "it just works" area
> >> >  regarding hardware...
> >>
> >> I just built a new system, loaded Kubuntu 9.10 , and was ready to roll
> in
> >> less
> >> than 60 minutes. (Note: The OS load and boot was 60 mins,  I had to
> learn
> >> how to build the modern hardware and that took a few days)   I've loaded
> >> Ubuntu server 7.10 through 9.04 on a variety of HP G2, IBM X-Series, and
> >> Dell desktops with no hardware issues.  The worst hardware issue I've
> had
> >> was an internal wireless card on a Dell laptop, but that was easily
> solved
> >> with fwcutter.  Now I haven't loaded it on my Alpha yet, but if that
> didn't
> >> work I wouldn't be too upset.
> >>
> >> YMMV when you install Ubuntu.  My experiences have been mostly positive.
> >> It's worked better than my snowblower, and it certain has cost a lot
> less!
> >>
> >> Dave Thacker
> >>
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