[olug] Community Colo Project

Will Langford unfies at gmail.com
Thu Apr 2 22:17:01 UTC 2009 

OLCOLO - omaha linux colo!OLUC - omana linux user colo

j/k


On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Dan Clough <dclough at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sounds like a reasonable possibility.  Could you provide some
> information on your company or a URL?  Something in the IT sector would
> be best, mainly because "John's Floral Arrangements and Datacenter"
> doesn't flow quite as nicely as I'd like it to.
>
> David Walker wrote:
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> > One possibility is running it through my company.  Obviously we would
> > want to make sure that we structured everything financially so the risk
> > to my company would be low and so that there would not be an undue load
> > on us, but we have an accounting and billing system in place and we have
> > been around for 9 years this summer.
> >
> > I do believe that proper governance and accountability are essential to
> > this venture.  For all of the "community" aspects, such as lower cost,
> > relaxed specs on rackmount vs tower, there definitely needs to be an
> > organized structure to keep everything going.
> >
> > Setting up and LLC is not too hard but someone would have to manage it
> > and it would have to be determined who held how many shares and what
> > that meant.  Someone would definitely have to be responsible for billing
> > and for enforcing the billing requirements
> >
> > Dan Clough wrote:
> >> Figuring out a pricing structure is a priority at this point in time,
> >> but that's currently on hold until we find out what the damage is for
> >> the Pinpoint cage and power circuits.  With all the pledges of equipment
> >> we've seen so far, I doubt our expenses will exceed that of the cage
> >> space, power and bandwidth.
> >>
> >> While we're on the subject of finances, we *really* need to decide what
> >> we're going to do about legal entities.  I've been juggling ideas which
> >> include forming our own nonprofit corporation, piggybacking on another
> >> organization or just dumping it on one person's shoulders.  The last one
> >> is an obvious no-no as I doubt anyone would want to take sole fiscal
> >> responsibility of the venture if it went tits-up.  Ideas?
> >>
> >> Dave Rowe wrote:
> >>
> >>> Phil Brutsche wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> People should be allowed to bring in anything they want (given
> >>>> reasonable hardware constraints - ie 4U or smaller rackmount) as long
> as
> >>>> they maintain their machine(s) properly and bay their bill.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm just making sure people are performing reality checks, we
> shouldn't
> >>>> be getting any grandiose ideas and ordering a 50Mbps line under the
> >>>> assumption that there will be that many "clients".
> >>>>
> >>>> Dan Clough wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Well, that's just it.  Hopefully it won't just be us, hopefully we
> >>>>> can get people who want colocation or even local web hosting but
> >>>>> can't find it... Even if it means inviting the WUG in... ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We want enough capacity for us to fill and for any other "clients"
> >>>>> we'll hopefully bring on board.  20Meg should be fine.
> >>>>>
> >>> With that in mind, does someone who has an idea (ballpark is even
> >>> valuable) as to what the monthly cost (+ setup? ie, to help cover the
> >>> Cogent installation?) per U is?  Then, people who might use it can
> >>> evaluate (reply to the list) with what they'd want (no obligation).
> >>> Then, you'd have a better idea of how big the client base is, and what
> >>> the estimated usage would be.
> >>>
> >>> I've throughly enjoyed following this, and see myself as a potential
> >>> 'client' of this, but without knowing the monthly cost, I'm not fully
> >>> 'sold' on it.
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> > One possibility is running it through my company.  Obviously we
> would
> > want to make sure that we structured everything financially so the risk
> > to my company would be low and so that there would not be an undue load
> > on us, but we have an accounting and billing system in place and we
> > have been around for 9 years this summer.<br>
> > <br>
> > I do believe that proper governance and accountability are essential to
> > this venture.  For all of the "community" aspects, such as lower
> cost,
> > relaxed specs on rackmount vs tower, there definitely needs to be an
> > organized structure to keep everything going.<br>
> > <br>
> > Setting up and LLC is not too hard but someone would have to manage it
> > and it would have to be determined who held how many shares and what
> > that meant.  Someone would definitely have to be responsible for
> > billing and for enforcing the billing requirements<br>
> > <br>
> > Dan Clough wrote:
> > <blockquote cite="mid:49D512E9.7070608 at gmail.com<mid%3A49D512E9.7070608 at gmail.com>"
> type="cite">
> >   <pre wrap="">Figuring out a pricing structure is a priority at this
> point in time,
> > but that's currently on hold until we find out what the damage is for
> > the Pinpoint cage and power circuits.  With all the pledges of equipment
> > we've seen so far, I doubt our expenses will exceed that of the cage
> > space, power and bandwidth.
> >
> > While we're on the subject of finances, we *really* need to decide what
> > we're going to do about legal entities.  I've been juggling ideas which
> > include forming our own nonprofit corporation, piggybacking on another
> > organization or just dumping it on one person's shoulders.  The last one
> > is an obvious no-no as I doubt anyone would want to take sole fiscal
> > responsibility of the venture if it went tits-up.  Ideas?
> >
> > Dave Rowe wrote:
> >   </pre>
> >   <blockquote type="cite">
> >     <pre wrap="">Phil Brutsche wrote:
> >     </pre>
> >     <blockquote type="cite">
> >       <pre wrap="">People should be allowed to bring in anything they
> want (given
> > reasonable hardware constraints - ie 4U or smaller rackmount) as long as
> > they maintain their machine(s) properly and bay their bill.
> >
> > I'm just making sure people are performing reality checks, we shouldn't
> > be getting any grandiose ideas and ordering a 50Mbps line under the
> > assumption that there will be that many "clients".
> >
> > Dan Clough wrote:
> >       </pre>
> >       <blockquote type="cite">
> >         <pre wrap="">Well, that's just it.  Hopefully it won't just be
> us, hopefully we
> > can get people who want colocation or even local web hosting but
> > can't find it... Even if it means inviting the WUG in... ;)
> >
> > We want enough capacity for us to fill and for any other "clients"
> > we'll hopefully bring on board.  20Meg should be fine.
> >         </pre>
> >       </blockquote>
> >     </blockquote>
> >     <pre wrap="">With that in mind, does someone who has an idea
> (ballpark is even
> > valuable) as to what the monthly cost (+ setup? ie, to help cover the
> > Cogent installation?) per U is?  Then, people who might use it can
> > evaluate (reply to the list) with what they'd want (no obligation).
> > Then, you'd have a better idea of how big the client base is, and what
> > the estimated usage would be.
> >
> > I've throughly enjoyed following this, and see myself as a potential
> > 'client' of this, but without knowing the monthly cost, I'm not fully
> > 'sold' on it.
> > _______________________________________________
> > OLUG mailing list
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:OLUG at olug.org">
> OLUG at olug.org</a>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="
> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug">
> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug</a>
> >     </pre>
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