[olug] Community Colo Project

Thu Apr 2 20:51:56 UTC 2009

I think an LLC NP might be a good choice, i just googled it :)

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Curtis LaMasters
<curtislamasters at gmail.com>wrote:

> I would rather see it be an LLC so I can somewhat learn how the
> process works (future knowledge).
>
> Curtis LaMasters
> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Dan Clough <dclough at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Being a legal entity (an LLC or an incorporated nonprofit) will allow
> > opening a bank account under the business name.  That'll greatly
> > simplify the financial aspect by funneling all the money through a
> > central account.  Easier to pay the bills, easier to bill clients,
> > easier all around.  Oh, and with an LLC, no one is personally liable.
> >
> > Now comes the million-dollar question - nonprofit or LLC?  Nonprofit has
> > quite a few hurdles and requires large amounts of manpower and
> > oversight.  An LLC from what I understand is much easier to operate.
> >
> > Curtis LaMasters wrote:
> >> Why would we even need to be an entity?  I guess I could somehow see
> >> it as an easier way to bill each other.  Depending on what the total
> >> cost to do this is, auto billing could be setup to go to an OLUGish
> >> type account where one of the members would pay
> >> Cogent/CoSentry/Cox/etc.... Unless I'm totally lost it sounds pretty
> >> easy to automate.  If we can get a developer talked into it, we could
> >> start colo.olug.org as a billing portal. :)
> >>
> >> I would be in for 5U (1x1U Server and 1x4U server).  I would still
> >> obviously need to run it past the wife.
> >>
> >> Curtis LaMasters
> >> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
> >> http://www.builtnetworks.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Dan Clough <dclough at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Pain-in-the-ass way it is.  I had articles for a nonprofit typed up,
> I'll start working on articles for a LLC.
> >>>
> >>> What should we call it?  The usual "(insert city here) Community
> Colocation Project" or do we want something that hasn't been beaten into the
> ground?
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: "Charles.Bird" <charles.bird at powerdnn.com>
> >>>
> >>> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:43:20
> >>> To: Omaha Linux User Group<olug at olug.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [olug] Community Colo Project
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From my experience, the pain in the ass way is usually the best way.
> >>> The pain in the ass way might be for us to form our own entity.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not a 100K per year super Linux admin(yet?) if I made even 70k I'd
> take
> >>> it on with my own responsibility.
> >>> All I can do is contribute cash and time, and some equipment.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Dan Clough <dclough at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Figuring out a pricing structure is a priority at this point in time,
> >>>> but that's currently on hold until we find out what the damage is for
> >>>> the Pinpoint cage and power circuits.  With all the pledges of
> equipment
> >>>> we've seen so far, I doubt our expenses will exceed that of the cage
> >>>> space, power and bandwidth.
> >>>>
> >>>> While we're on the subject of finances, we *really* need to decide
> what
> >>>> we're going to do about legal entities.  I've been juggling ideas
> which
> >>>> include forming our own nonprofit corporation, piggybacking on another
> >>>> organization or just dumping it on one person's shoulders.  The last
> one
> >>>> is an obvious no-no as I doubt anyone would want to take sole fiscal
> >>>> responsibility of the venture if it went tits-up.  Ideas?
> >>>>
> >>>> Dave Rowe wrote:
> >>>>> Phil Brutsche wrote:
> >>>>>> People should be allowed to bring in anything they want (given
> >>>>>> reasonable hardware constraints - ie 4U or smaller rackmount) as
> long as
> >>>>>> they maintain their machine(s) properly and bay their bill.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm just making sure people are performing reality checks, we
> shouldn't
> >>>>>> be getting any grandiose ideas and ordering a 50Mbps line under the
> >>>>>> assumption that there will be that many "clients".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dan Clough wrote:
> >>>>>>> Well, that's just it.  Hopefully it won't just be us, hopefully we
> >>>>>>> can get people who want colocation or even local web hosting but
> >>>>>>> can't find it... Even if it means inviting the WUG in... ;)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We want enough capacity for us to fill and for any other "clients"
> >>>>>>> we'll hopefully bring on board.  20Meg should be fine.
> >>>>> With that in mind, does someone who has an idea (ballpark is even
> >>>>> valuable) as to what the monthly cost (+ setup? ie, to help cover the
> >>>>> Cogent installation?) per U is?  Then, people who might use it can
> >>>>> evaluate (reply to the list) with what they'd want (no obligation).
> >>>>> Then, you'd have a better idea of how big the client base is, and
> what
> >>>>> the estimated usage would be.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've throughly enjoyed following this, and see myself as a potential
> >>>>> 'client' of this, but without knowing the monthly cost, I'm not fully
> >>>>> 'sold' on it.
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