[olug] IE and mozilla.org

[Sean Edwards]

Who cares about the desktop?  The desktop should not
matter, the desktop should not drive back-end
technology.  If that were the case, our business would
shut down.  Some of the commercial software we use is
only available for Mac, or Solaris, or Linux.  Our
desktop is a great majority Mac, not Windows.  So to
say that we need Exchange for the desktop, means we
need to change our desktop?  So we need to convert our
Mac desktops because it "makes sense" due to the
Exchange server coming in?  That is insane!

No, Rod is not comparing mail/groupware to windows
file shares.  What Rod is saying is that his
non-Microsoft mail/groupware system was not affected
by NIMDA, but  the windows file systems were affected.
 And don't confuse a Novell file system with "windows
file shares."  The two concepts are vastly different.

". . . a properly configured Exchange could be more
resource/money intensive than GroupWise, but that is
just part of the product."  Other than to empty out a
bank account or a budget line, what kind of business
decision says "Let's spend like the Dickens!"

". . . It integrates well with other Microsoft
products without having to install third party
software.

". . . Install Office (which you'd do anyway) and you
get Outlook."  Great, yet another environment for
worms and VB script kiddies.  

". . . Integrates nicely into Active Directory, which
Windows can also use."  Ouch! Maybe Rod can herald the
virtues of Novell's DOD Red Book C3 rating.  Oh, wait,
that was back in the NetWare 4 days, when NDS (NetWare
Directory Services) was available and mature years
before Active Directory.  And after GroupWise, Lotus
Notes was the first groupware to make use of a
directory . . . NDS.
 
No matter how you slice a turd, it is still poop, and
no matter how you look at Microsoft, it is still
Microsoft.

-=Sean Edwards=-


--- Sean Kelly <smkelly at zombie.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 11:24:11AM -0600, Rod Hurley
> wrote:
> ...
> > I was here when Nimda was wild and there were NO
> signatures available. 
> > We had 2 Windows pc users hit a website with an
> embedded virus and we
> > had to pull those pcs off the network.  Our
> servers, (through the drive
> > mapping functionality of Windows) accumulated
> 93,000+ files in 2 hours
> > which we manually deleted.  Our email system was
> never ever down, or
> > slowed because the virus was attempting to use
> Exchange as it's
> > incubator.  Groupwise did nothing with the
> requests.  That is our
> > primary difference between the 2 systems.  
> 
> I'm not clear on what you're comparing here. Are you
> comparing a
> mail/groupware system to Windows file shares? The
> two don't really compare.
> A *properly* configured Exchange system also
> wouldn't puke when it
> encountered Nimda. What constitutes a properly
> configured Exchange could be
> more resource/money intensive than GroupWise, but
> that is just part of the
> product.
> 
> > And I must say this:  "They outclass their
> competition (Novell, Lotus)
> > because they are Microsoft" doesn't follow.  Being
> the richest, and most
> > arrogant doesn't make me the best guy in the
> office.  I let my
> > performance speak for itself.
> 
> The idea behind this was that Microsoft is the
> desktop operating system and
> Exchange is a logical offshoot of it. It integrates
> well with other
> Microsoft products without having to install third
> party software. Install
> Office (which you'd do anyway) and you get Outlook.
> Integrates nicely into
> Active Directory, which Windows can also use.
> 
> I aas also trying to say that many (poor) management
> decisions are made on
> the "It is Microsoft, so it must be good" line of
> thought. Microsoft is a
> big company, with many products, and thus they get a
> lot of the marketshare
> and marketing. 
> 
> Novell stlll gets a lot of hostility for the NetWare
> days. Many network
> administrators who have finally purged themselves of
> IPX have no desire to
> introduce any new Novell technologies on their
> network. Novell as a company
> is also not as well off as Microsoft. I know of amny
> places phasing out
> Novell products, such as NetWare and GroupWise. On
> the other hand, I know
> of some (though fewer) that are using Novell
> products like eDirectory.
> 
> Does GroupWise also cause you to top post by
> default?
> 
> -- 
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