[olug] Fwd: Fedora one-year report

[Christopher Cashell]

At Sun, 23 May 04, Unidentified Flying Banana Christopher Cashell, said:
> I recently saw this posted to a mailing list, and found it to be
> absolutely hilarious.  I thought I'd pass it on here, in case anyone is
> up for a little good natured ribbing of Red Hat.  (As mentioned in the
> post, it is originally from the fedora-devel@ mailing list. ;-)

Ugh.  It looks like olug@ eats attachments, even when they're plain
text from a forward.  Here's the text in the body:


  Mike Chambers wrote:
 
  I think Red Hat went out on a limb and went ahead and told everyone
  what was going to happen with changing to Fedora and letting us in on
  how this thing will work in general.

  Let me, err, relay how things are looking from outside of RH in the
  format everyone will understand...

  --- BEGIN IRC LOG ---
       <rh_pr> We are announcing Red Hat Project! A community-based
               distribution!
   <oss_crowd> rh_pr: Neat.
      <rh_dev> rh_pr: Uh... I'm not ready.
             * rh_pr is away: promoting rhel
   <oss_crowd> rh_dev: what do we do?
      <rh_dev> oss_crowd: I'm not sure.
    <rh_legal> rh_dev: don't do anything until I say it's ok.
   <oss_crowd> rh_dev: what can we do to help with Red Hat Project?
      <rh_dev> oss_crowd: uh... file bugs and help test things.
   <oss_crowd> rh_dev: didn't we always do that?
    <rh_sales> hey, all, if you really want a stable system, don't use
               fedora project. It will eat your brane. Buy RHEL instead.
      <rh_dev> rh_sales: stfu
           --- rh_pr removes voice from rh_sales
   <fedora_us> hey, all, check out our neat community-driven system for
               red hat development
   <oss_crowd> fedora_us: ooooh!
       <rh_pr> fedora_us: I like your name
           --- fedora_rh joined the channel
    <rh_legal> much better
       <rh_pr> We are announcing Fedora Project! A community-driven
               distribution!
   <oss_crowd> rh_pr: Neat!
             * fedora_rh waves
   <fedora_us> I'm not dead yet.
   <fedora_rh> fedora_us: don't confuse things.
   <fedora_us> fedora_rh: does this mean we're merging?
   <fedora_rh> fedora_us: maybe
    <rh_legal> fedora_rh: don't do anything until I say it's ok.
           --- fedora_us joined #limbo
   <oss_crowd> fedora_rh: so, what can we do to help?
   <fedora_rh> oss_crowd: uh... file bugs and help test things.
   <oss_crowd> sigh... didn't we always do that?
   <fedora_rh> oss_crowd: I know, let's all go in the circle and say our
               names.
             * oss_crowd goes in the circle and says their names. This
               lasts several months.
   <fedora_rh> So, there will be the following features in the next
               release of Fedora Core.
   <oss_crowd> Uh... Hold on. Who gets to decide?
    <rh_sales> We do. That stuff will be neato for RHEL-4.
   <oss_crowd> MMkay, then. When do _we_ get to suggest things?
   <fedora_rh> oss_crowd: feel free to talk among yourselves.
             * oss_crowd talks among themselves about new features.
   <fedora_rh> btw, feature X will be disabled in the release.
             * oss_crowd glares at fedora_rh
   <oss_crowd> fedora_rh: nice of you to tell us while we were sitting
               here talking.
      <rh_dev> oss_crowd: sorry, it's just not happening.
   <oss_crowd> rh_dev: when do we get to decide what's happening?
      <rh_dev> oss_crowd: Dunno, I'll ask rh_legal
    <rh_legal> rh_dev: ugh, /msg me
    <rh_sales> rh_dev: let's not do anything rash here.
             * fedora_us gets tired of sitting in #limbo
   <oss_crowd> fedora_rh: I want to see more of the "community" part of
               the whole "community-based" thing
   <oss_crowd> rh_dev: how about at least a publicly accessible CVS/SVN
               tree?
      <rh_dev> oss_crowd: Yeah, that would be cool.
   <oss_crowd> rh_dev: finally, some movement. When is that going to be
               up?
             * rh_dev is away: talking to rh_legal
             * oss_crowd tries to occupy themselves and do things like
               fedoranews and fedorapeople.
   <oss_crowd> Uh... ping?
   <fedora_uh> oss_crowd: what's up?
   <oss_crowd> fedora_rh: We're feeling kinda useless. What exactly is our
               role, again?
   <fedora_rh> oss_crowd: well, it would be really helpful if you could
               test some things and file the bugs.
   <oss_crowd> fedora_rh: ugh. We ALWAYS did that.
             * oss_crowd begins to wonder what exactly is the purpose of
               fedora_rh
   <fedora_rh> oss_crowd: it's the open-development, proving-grounds for
               new technology component of Red Hat, as opposed to RHEL.
    <rh_sales> Told ya it'll eat your brane.
           --- rh_pr kicks rh_sales from the channel (you're a dolt)
   <oss_crowd> fedora_rh: so, let me get this straight. Effectively, you
               want us to download the packages you release, test things,
               file bugs, and submit patches.
   <fedora_rh> oss_crowd: Sure, why not?
   <oss_crowd> ...but when it comes to things like features, direction of
               the project, and which software to include in the
               distribution, it's the decision of Red Hat?
             * fedora_rh is away: I AM RH
   <fedora_us> I'm still not dead.
   <oss_crowd> fedora_rh: How is that different from how things were
               before the whole "publicly-supported distribution" thing?
   <oss_crowd> rh_dev: where is that long-promised public CVS/SVN repo?
      <rh_dev> dunno, talk to fedora_rh
   <fedora_rh> oss_crowd: look, such things don't happen in a week, ok?
   <oss_crowd> IT'S BEEN A YEAR!
           --- rh_sales joined the channel
    <rh_sales> EAT YOUR BRAAAAAANE.
   <oss_crowd> /mode +b rh_sales
           --- You're not ops in here.
   <oss_crowd> figures
  --- END IRC LOG ---
 
 
  Cheers,
  --
  Konstantin ("Icon") Ryabitsev
  Duke Physics Systems Admin, RHCE
  I am looking for a job in Canada!
  http://linux.duke.edu/~icon/cajob.ptml
 
 
 
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