[olug] Cox and port 25

Mon Jun 30 13:31:32 UTC 2003

I can say that my server (also on a Cox network...fiber link to be exact) 
works fine from my residential service site, but I have not tried another 
server as I have no other server off the cox network to try...anyone wanna 
give me an account to try and see??

Nate

On Monday 30 June 2003 08:34 am, Tim V - DZ wrote:
> I 'support' three small business owners in the area...as in the rent
> space, have employees and such (not a little guy working out of his
> basement kinda thing).  As a precaution after seeing jeff's and
> subsequent posts I emailed them to see if they could email me back.  I
> sent the email on Friday just after 9 AM. All three called before the
> morning was over, and over the phone I was able to convey how to change
> the smtp server to cox's, which fixed the problem.
>
> I'm not sure how the port 25 block is actually implemented...i'd imagine
> that it's an 'edge-based' thing and as long as you're connecting from a
> computer on the cox network to a server that on the cox network you'd be
> OK...i'm not sure that's what you were getting at in you # 1 or not
> though...anyone with easy access to cox addresses at 2+ locations to
> try?
>
> -t
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: olug-bounces at olug.org [mailto:olug-bounces at olug.org] On Behalf Of
> Bob McCoy
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:44 AM
> To: 'Omaha Linux User Group'
> Subject: RE: [olug] Cox and port 25
>
> Tim V - DZ said:
> > Cox at work customers are effected also.
>
> OK.  I'm always one of the first to say, "I may be confused."  But
> please tell me where you came up with your $0.02 worth.  Because here
> are my observations:
>
> 1.  I maintain mail servers for two different Cox at Work customers.
> Neither have been effected by the block.  Both can telnet to port 25 on
> any valid mail server.
>
> 2.  I called Cox Business customer service and they said that they have
> not applied a universal block to port 25 traffic for their business
> customers.
>
>     A.  They did say that some businesses mistakenly come up with DHCP
> which will give them a residential IP.  In which case, they get the
> block.
>
>     B.  They also said that individual spammers will get blocked.
>
> So what gives here?  You're not the only one to say that @Work customers
> are also effected.  I just want to know what that's based on.
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: olug-bounces at olug.org [mailto:olug-bounces at olug.org] On Behalf Of
> Tim V - DZ
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 11:13 PM
> To: 'Omaha Linux User Group'
> Subject: RE: [olug] Cox and port 25
>
>
> Cox at work customers are effected also.
>
> $0.02
>
> -t
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: olug-bounces at olug.org [mailto:olug-bounces at olug.org] On Behalf Of
> Bob McCoy
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 8:55 AM
> To: 'Omaha Linux User Group'
> Subject: RE: [olug] Cox and port 25
>
> To Nathan's point about running a valid business and work at home, Cox
> would probably maintain that you should be using Cox at Work and not
> Cox at Home.
>
> From the acceptable use policy
> <http://support.cox.net/custsup/policies/acceptableuse.shtml#aup>:
> Commercial Use.  The Service is designed for personal use of the
> Internet and may not be used for commercial purposes.  You may not
> resell or otherwise charge others to use the residential Service.  You
> agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet service
> provider, or for any other business enterprise, including, without
> limitation, IP address translation, or similar facilities intended to
> provide additional access.
>
> I'm not saying it's right.  I'm just saying that you wouldn't get a lot
> of sympathy from Cox for your argument.
>
> I do not work for Cox.  I am not siding with Cox.  Nor do I wish to
> argue about the Cox at Work pricing structure, the fact that life is
> unfair, or anything else.  However, as a sidebar, I have observed that
> our Cox at Work connection at the office is not affected by the port 25
> block (yet).
>
> Now if you're using Cox at Work and have this issue, I truly apologize for
> mischaracterizing your email and I believe you have a legitimate case.
> Otherwise, I think you're just stuck like the rest of us.
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: olug-bounces at olug.org [mailto:olug-bounces at olug.org] On Behalf Of
> Jay Hannah
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:56 PM
> To: Omaha Linux User Group
> Subject: Re: [olug] Cox and port 25
>
>
>
> What a strange situation... I never thought I'd be defending Cox when
> they (once again) block something and piss me off. I guess I'm just a
> lot angrier at spammers nowadays than ISP who try to fight them...
>
> Anyhoo, here's two more cents:
>
> "Nathan Rotschafer (OLUG)" wrote:
> > Now consider I run a valid business and work from home and need to
> > send company email from my house what do I do?  If the email comes
> > through Cox's servers some place will tag it as spam or refuse
> > delivery based upon the fact that it is "forged".  Now what do I do?
> > In my opinion Cox just put a major blow to work from home business
> > people and that is completely unacceptable.
>
> [deletia]
>
>
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