[olug] Groupware suggestions - Long

Fri Apr 12 15:21:38 UTC 2002

THanks for the info.  One of my concerns is that we have this big
honking server that at it's highest load is probably 95% unused.  I'm
willing to look at Win2k but I don't want to have a different server
for each little thing we do especially when the one is so underused.

Right now I am open to a complete removal of win2k server.  If a
suitable solution exists, I would be willing to put up with the hassle
of pulling Outlook off of the computers also.  The more I see the web
based functionality of some of these other programs the more I like
them.  What I don't want is to go from this headache right into another
headache of administration.  I would even consider buying RH7.2 and the
support it comes with or another distro with support.

Many of you probably deal with this kinda crap everyday in your own
jobs, so I appreciate you taking the time to help me out.

Thanks
Eric

--- Forrest Dickinson <fdickinson at morganhunter.com> wrote:
> Hi Eric,
> 
> At the risk of "going against the grain" in a Linux users group I
> would
> recommend that you go with Exchange 2k it and Lotus Notes are your
> two only
> real options for true groupware(in my opinion).  Where exchange sucks
> at is
> on the SMTP side when it comes to content and spam filtering but you
> can
> always use a Linux box running Sendmail or Postfix as your email
> gateway and
> filter attachments with that.  Development on Lotus Notes/Domino is
> arguably
> easier but the Notes client sucks (in my opinion) its more of a
> resource hog
> than Outlook is and its extremely unintuitive for the end users.  I
> am the
> Sysadmin for a Recruiting Company in Kansas City and we are
> developing our
> entire groupware database on Exchange/Outlook.  In our public folders
> we
> have more than 200,000 contacts with various custom forms depending
> on the
> division.  The speed is fast and stability is good on the server side
> the
> only time I reboot the exchange servers is after I install security
> updates
> (of course on Linux you usually don't have to do that) but my
> exchange
> servers are up for months at a time.  I am running outlook xp on the
> client
> side.  I would suggest that if you use exchange you defiantly get
> your win2k
> server with active directory running right. Also if you run exchange
> or
> lotus notes you need to have a server dedicated to running it and
> only
> exchange or notes.  That's where a lot of people mess up on NT and
> Win 2k
> networks you should always have a dedicated server for each
> application you
> are running (for example we have six servers here a fileserver,
> Exchange
> server for public folders, exchange server for private folders
> "mailboxes",
> a server running Domino, a terminal server, and a server running ISA
> server
> for the firewall) when you try to get a win2k server or a nt server
> to do
> two or more things no matter how small the network is you are usually
> messing up (that's one of the areas linux/unix kill Microsoft).  But
> anyway
> I would recommend going with a Exchange 2k it may be over kill in
> some areas
> for you but I am sure your boss is like most bosses if you get this
> accomplished for him/her they will always want it to do more.  You
> can go
> with Lotus notes and domino if you want but Last time I checked notes
> is a
> lot more expensive than exchange and Notes admins and developers are
> getting
> to be a lot less in demand which is something to consider from a
> resume
> standpoint. Anyway just my 2 cents.
> 
> Forrest Dickinson
> Systems Administrator
> Morgan Hunter Companies
> 7600 West 110th Street
> Overland Park, Kansas 66210
> Main:   (913) 491-3434
> Direct: (913) 409-1230
> Fax:     (913) 409-1232
> mailto://[email protected]
> http://www.morganhunter.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Penne [mailto:epenne at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:43 AM
> To: olug at olug.org
> Subject: Re: [olug] Groupware suggestions - Long
> 
> We've tried this and it doesn't seem to work.  This is part of the
> circular discussion that I've had with my boss 3 times now. Each time
> he go back to this and tries it again.  Each time I spend the next
> hour
> and half troubleshooting why it doesn't work and explaining to him
> that
> I can't get it to work.
> 
> This was the original idea though, but for some reason it just won't
> work.  I've never found a reason for it not working.
> 
> Thanks
> Eric
> 
> PS If a good solution can be found (Win or Lin) there might be some
> money involved to set it up and train me on it.
> 
> 
> 
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