[olug] starting broadband ISP, any suggestions?

Sam Flint harmonicnm7h at gmail.com
Mon Aug 20 14:57:30 UTC 2012 

I know a couple of the people who started it, and they are a newer company.

Sam

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Justin Reiners <justin at hotlinesinc.com> wrote:
> Sam, do you know anyone on the tech side of it there?
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Justin Reiners <justin at hotlinesinc.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks rob! You gave some awesome starting points. I will start there. The
>> tower is located east of Des Moines, so a little further than 50km, I would
>> love for someone to be able to test it. We do have an accountant there we
>> could probably set them up to test, The bullets look very interesting, I
>> assume those go on the tower? how many users can one support? Line of site
>> is not generally required, in fact dropping it would be a lot easier to set
>> up. Do you run an ISP?
>>  On Aug 20, 2012 3:58 AM, "Rob Townley" <rob.townley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure what you are asking, but ubnt.com has some cool wireless
>>> stuff and starting to incorporate GPS into equipment to help maximize
>>> signal-to-noise ratio. It would be worth it to register and poke
>>> around in their forums even if you do not use their stuff.
>>>
>>> 100Mbps long range 50km wireless using their AirMax stuff.
>>> Line-of-sight, but i wonder if you could get substantial bandwidth
>>> even when not line-of-sight.  Since bullet Ms are inexpensive ($50),
>>> it would be worth buying several to test out.  Let me know how dead-on
>>> line-of-sight accurate is actually required.
>>> http://www.ubnt.com/airmax#bulletm
>>>
>>>
>>> ubiquiti's airfiber is not microwave as it 24GhZ (yes, that is right,
>>> no decimal. twenty-four GhZ) and claims to support 1GB wireless to
>>> 13km.  Line-of-sight.  Developed from a former Motorola team.
>>> http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber
>>>
>>> i had trouble finding a distributor that would actually sell me a
>>> bullet m when i first tried a year or so ago.  But now,
>>> http://www.microcom.us/bullet5.html sells several versions.  So no, i
>>> do NOT have any real experience with this long range hardware, but
>>> would be interested to see what you find.  If you are within 50km of
>>> the Westroads, i might be willing to test.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Justin Reiners <justin at hotlinesinc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > line of site wireless is the dream, that is more my bosses realm, I just
>>> > move packets. he leases space on his tower to many different companies.
>>> He
>>> > thinks he can do some type of directional microwave transmission, said
>>> it
>>> > will easily support his speeds he is looking for.
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Jason N <dashrender at cox.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> how are you going to get from your tower to the clients?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ---- Justin Reiners <justin at hotlinesinc.com> wrote:
>>> >> Ohh, touche, I guess on cox and such everyone is on the same network
>>> (for
>>> >> the most part), just firewalled on the client side (we hope :) ) so you
>>> >> think regular off the shelf (meaning cisco and such, not linksys or
>>> >> netgear) routers and switches. good good. My boss has checked on his
>>> pipe,
>>> >> can get it for about 9 grand a month, (1Gigabit, multiple fiber drops
>>> >> already exist at his tower.)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Kevin <sharpestmarble at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > What if some business that you provide service to wants to contact
>>> some
>>> >> > other business you provide service to? i.e. A small business that
>>> hosts
>>> >> > their own website or mail server?
>>> >> > On Aug 20, 2012 12:23 AM, "Justin Reiners" <justin at hotlinesinc.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > The upstream bandwidth will be fiber, 1 gigabit, already priced.
>>> The
>>> >> > users
>>> >> > > will be business users, requiring at least 50/50, or whatever they
>>> >> need.
>>> >> > > their will be 100Mb users as well. I would like all users
>>> (businesses)
>>> >> IP
>>> >> > > to be segregated for security reasons. all businesses will need
>>> static
>>> >> > > public IPs. Last mile will be microwave.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Kevin <sharpestmarble at gmail.com>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > > What is your upstream bandwidth like? Fiber? From who? They are
>>> the
>>> >> > > people
>>> >> > > > you'll need to buy your IPs from. You don't need to buy a public
>>> IP
>>> >> for
>>> >> > > > everyone, just use NAT(assuming they're home users), although
>>> there
>>> >> are
>>> >> > > > some who would take issue with that. Some of those who would take
>>> >> issue
>>> >> > > are
>>> >> > > > people of this list.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Routing could be done using a Linux box. You'd need multiple
>>> >> > interfaces,
>>> >> > > > and you'd want it to be redundant, although you'd want that as
>>> part
>>> >> of
>>> >> > > any
>>> >> > > > setup you would use. Play with iptables some to get it set up and
>>> >> > running
>>> >> > > > properly.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > What kind of networks will you be running that you'll want to
>>> keep
>>> >> > > > separate?
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > On Aug 19, 2012 11:57 PM, "Justin Reiners" <
>>> justin at hotlinesinc.com>
>>> >> > > wrote:
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > > Hey eveyone, weird question, I have done my googling, to no
>>> avail.
>>> >> I
>>> >> > > was
>>> >> > > > > wondering if anyone here works for an ISP, or has the
>>> understanding
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > > > > first time setup. My boss have come to me with a task, He is
>>> >> looking
>>> >> > > for
>>> >> > > > > starting an ISP in his home town, as there are no, 100MB+ isps
>>> in
>>> >> the
>>> >> > > > area,
>>> >> > > > > connection type is fixed wireless, or microwave. He owns a
>>> tower in
>>> >> > > IA, I
>>> >> > > > > cannot say where exactly it is located because he hosts things
>>> for
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > > > CIA,
>>> >> > > > > FBI and such. He also has fiber to the building, unused at the
>>> >> > moment,
>>> >> > > > and
>>> >> > > > > he also has all the capital he needs to get it going. I have
>>> some
>>> >> > > > > questions, He wants to start with 1Gb of bandwidth, and knows
>>> >> plenty
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > > > > businesses in the area that are looking to go faster.
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > 1. When the fiber is installed, will we be left with a 1Gigabit
>>> >> > > Ethernet
>>> >> > > > > port I route off of?
>>> >> > > > > 2. I assume we will need to buy public IPs. any idea on the
>>> costs?
>>> >> > > > > 3. What types of switches and routers do you recommend,
>>> (hoping it
>>> >> is
>>> >> > > > just
>>> >> > > > > ethernet) (number of users will be around 20 at first, then
>>> the sky
>>> >> > is
>>> >> > > > the
>>> >> > > > > limit.)
>>> >> > > > > 4. can the routing be done using a linux box?
>>> >> > > > > 5. Can multiple users use the same directional antenna?
>>> >> > > > > 6. How can we keep networks seperate?
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > Any help will be appreciated. I am hoping someone in the group
>>> >> works
>>> >> > > with
>>> >> > > > > this type of thing. google has not been much help, I find a
>>> lot of
>>> >> > OLD
>>> >> > > > ISP
>>> >> > > > > pages, talking of dialup modems of such. lol.
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > --
>>> >> > > > > Justin Reiners
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